There is no such thing as HEAVEN.

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dili bro kay related man na tanan BIBLE, GOD, HEAVEN...kung masabtan sa readers ako'ng point...

kay if you believe in God, it follows that you believe also in Heaven and the Bible of course.

[yorts]

heaven a place or a state of mind?

John 14:1-3 (New International Version)

1"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God[a]; trust also in me. 2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

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Jawbreaker wrote and quote:
How did we exist if there is no God?
- how did you know that God created us? oh the big black book. .. tsk-tsk-tsk... the big confusing book.
that's why theory has existed (theory of evolution, big-bang theory) cause they don't believed God.
- which is more realistic the scientific theory of evolution or the creation story in the big black book that man came from dust and eve came from the rib of adam?
It simple I believe God created us because of FAITH, for your the bible is confusing but for us who believed and has faith on it, its clear.
Have you ever wonder after we die we go back to dust as we came from dust? And about the rib of male is not the same with female.
male has lacking 1 rib.


Some scientist in the U.S copy the composition of a human cell and yet they can't give life cause the spirit of life is given by God.
- are you sure about this? coz as far as i know they've been cloning domestic animals such as sheep, cows even horses for human consumption and convenience... do you think we are not capable of cloning humans too?? oh the spirits i guess.. we can't clone a spirit.
About cloning, their material still came from the source. They can't make another by not getting it from the source.
Cloning is like kung magmarkot ta og mangga or any fruit trees. God was the first to perform cloning.

Everything God created is perfect and all we do is to marvel and fascinated.
Heaven is our hope and reward, follow God will bring us up there and be the Lord's forever.
- if gods creations are perfect ... then why do i always hear excuses like "nobody is perfect" things always change coz "the only constant thing in this world is change"... etc-etc-etc.
- if you think we are perfect then why do we hope for salvation, for heaven, for god to save us from his other creations. he created something and creates something that would destroy something that he created... hmmm-- confusing really

nobody is perfect to whom? in the eyes of man nobody is perfect cause we judge everything and everybody but in the eyes of God we are perfect. Let us make clear first the word perfect mentioned in the bible, its not perfect physically and abilities but perfect to submit ourselves to God and admit our mistakes. God want us to be tried on earth for us to be worthy for eternal life.

Peace!

[JawBreaker]

It simple I believe God created us because of FAITH, for your the bible is confusing but for us who believed and has faith on it, its clear.
Have you ever wonder after we die we go back to dust as we came from dust? And about the rib of male is not the same with female.
male has lacking 1 rib.

- dust... should i be amazed?that's always the case... not unless only humans will turn to dust when they die and the rest will become marshmallows or something coz as far as i knpw all living things when they die will become solid pasrticles in a span of time that we call dust.

- rib... bro i'm a 3D modeler... never did i encounter a book of human anatomy that says man lacks 1 rib. maybe you didn't know.

About cloning, their material still came from the source. They can't make another by not getting it from the source.
Cloning is like kung magmarkot ta og mangga or any fruit trees. God was the first to perform cloning.

- you 1st mentioned the word COPY:
Definition: exact likeness
Synonyms: carbon, clone, copy, double, duplicate, facsimile, imitation, mirror image, replica, reproduction, spit and image, spitting image, twin.

- marcotting: The stem is cut partly through and a rooting hormone (auxin) often
applied. Then it is wrapped with moist sphagnum peat moss and ties in place
with plastic sheeting. When roots are well formed, the branch is cut below the
roots to make a new plant.
.... it's different from cloning.

nobody is perfect to whom? in the eyes of man nobody is perfect cause we judge everything and everybody but in the eyes of God we are perfect. Let us make clear first the word perfect mentioned in the bible, its not perfect physically and abilities but perfect to submit ourselves to God and admit our mistakes. God want us to be tried on earth for us to be worthy for eternal life.

- you said man judge everything that makes us not perfect... what about god and his judgement day?
- perfect to you means : perfect to submit ourselves to God and admit our mistakes
---> what kind of definition is that?
- God want us to be tried on earth for us to be worthy for eternal life---> if that's the case no one will go to heaven.

[JawBreaker]

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- rib... bro i'm a 3D modeler... never did i encounter a book of human anatomy that says man lacks 1 rib. maybe you didn't know.
Good for you, but im comparing the number of ribs of Man to Woman. I guess you know it coz your a 3D modeler, Man and WOman don't have equal number of Ribs.

.... it's different from cloning.
I said "like" not the same, so you accept that man can't clone alone without the cell or DNA of the source?

- you said man judge everything that makes us not perfect... what about god and his judgement day?
- perfect to you means : perfect to submit ourselves to God and admit our mistakes
---> what kind of definition is that?
- God want us to be tried on earth for us to be worthy for eternal life---> if that's the case no one will go to heaven.

Off course on Judgement day God will base on the Books which the Law has written.
But about man judging others is by his own will, inferiority, ego, pride and etc.
You can attest on that, if we see a successful man today or before we always say "pero kuan mana siya, naa man na siya and other because and excuses". Our definition of Perfect is different from the definition of God. OUr perfect mostly attributed to physical features and achievement in life. But God consider or see you perfect if you submit to Him and admit your sins and mistakes.


- dust... should i be amazed?that's always the case... not unless only humans will turn to dust when they die and the rest will become marshmallows or something coz as far as i knpw all living things when they die will become solid pasrticles in a span of time that we call dust.

Im not surprise if your not amazed, but not the same particles as humans have.

Peace!

[JawBreaker]

Good for you, but im comparing the number of ribs of Man to Woman. I guess you know it coz your a 3D modeler, Man and WOman don't have equal number of Ribs.

they have the same number of ribs believe me and the books. you do some research bro before you believe in such myth... i bet you based your line from the big black book saying that Eve came from Adams rib so kind of minus 1 rib. hmmm... hehe... the basic operation of arithmetic. tsk-tsk-tsk.

I said "like" not the same
if we cut parts of human body then clip it somewhere, like a head for example and put it on someones butt then i'd agree it's like (not the same) as marcotting a plant. but cloning is the exact copy of a cell and not part of the cell.
of course we need a source, even you claimed that god performed cloning.
bro this is reality and not magic.... while science do a lot of research before doing things and that includes theories based on scientific studies and research.... the big guy up there that says with a big thunderous background "LET THERE BE.... " and that's magic.

on judgement issue, meaning of perfect
-wa ta mag-abot aning dapita... i based my arguement on human reasoning and u based yours on magic, fantasy and supernaturals....
-SKIP. naa man diay kay laing dictionary "dictionary of god".
-SKIP. if tao mo judge dautan---> if ang creator mo judge MAAYO. tanggalon na lang ta nang bala-od. uyon ka ana bro?

Im not surprise if your not amazed, but not the same particles as humans have.
you failed to expound your explainations, where's the spirit now? ... i was expecting you'd explain why we can't clone a spirit coz i can still throw back something if you talk about dusts and particles.. but with souls i'd say i SKIP.

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they have the same number of ribs believe me and the books. you do some research bro before you believe in such myth... i bet you based your line from the big black book saying that Eve came from Adams rib so kind of minus 1 rib. hmmm... hehe... the basic operation of arithmetic. tsk-tsk-tsk.

No i didn't, it's a fact that male rib is not equal with the female (lacking 1) i think its 13:14 for male and 14:14 for female. I based my statement from The Holy Bible ( you've called it big black book) and also science.

of course we need a source, even you claimed that god performed cloning.
bro this is reality and not magic.... while science do a lot of research before doing things and that includes theories based on scientific studies and research.... the big guy up there that says with a big thunderous background "LET THERE BE.... " and that's magic.

That's what i'm saying my friend, we humans can't create another life form without getting it from the source. God is still the source, about "Let there be..." and you said its magic then for me its not magic its power. Magic is a trick. Okay I will dare you my friend, if you can create even a cockroach in front of me then I will doubt God.

-wa ta mag-abot aning dapita... i based my arguement on human reasoning and u based yours on magic, fantasy and supernaturals....
-SKIP. naa man diay kay laing dictionary "dictionary of god".
-SKIP. if tao mo judge dautan---> if ang creator mo judge MAAYO. tanggalon na lang ta nang bala-od. uyon ka ana bro?

I think the best way you will say is that you wont accept my reasoning, Man has limitations he can't see the heart of the man for him to judge, but God can see the heart which all evil and lies has been hidden.

you failed to expound your explainations, where's the spirit now? ... i was expecting you'd explain why we can't clone a spirit coz i can still throw back something if you talk about dusts and particles.. but with souls i'd say i SKIP.

I've never mentioned about clonning of spirits my friend, a man is a living soul upon giving the breathe of life which God gave to every living things.

Peace!

[rcruman]

you failed to expound your explainations, where's the spirit now? ... i was expecting you'd explain why we can't clone a spirit coz i can still throw back something if you talk about dusts and particles.. but with souls i'd say i SKIP.

Sorry, i was confused. I thought you want me to explain if Spirits can be cloned.
After We die all of our spirits will go to in the hand of God.
We all go back to dust because we came from dust.

Peace!

[JawBreaker]

No i didn't, it's a fact that male rib is not equal with the female (lacking 1) i think its 13:14 for male and 14:14 for female. I based my statement from The Holy Bible ( you've called it big black book) and also science.

There are many differences between the male and female human skeletons. Men tend to have slightly thicker and longer limbs and digit bones, while women tend to have narrower rib cages, smaller teeth, less angular mandibles, and less pronounced cranial features such as the brow ridges and occipital protuberance (the small bump at the back of the skull). Most striking is the difference in hip bones, owing to differences related to the process of reproduction, and very likely also to the biological process of sexual selection. There are a number of smaller differences between human male and female skeletons as well.

The book Genesis of the Bible tells that Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs. This has led some people to assume that men have one fewer rib than women, but upon inspection this is false: men and women both have 12 pairs of ribs. In addition, removed ribs usually regenerate within 2-3 months of sectional surgery, as in the surgical procedure rib thoracoplasty.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skeleton

- for your conveniece

- http://www.innerbody.com/text/ribcnt_new.php

Okay I will dare you my friend, if you can create even a cockroach in front of me then I will doubt God.
thats a ridiculous request.are you sure you're not a kid?

I think the best way you will say is that you wont accept my reasoning
simple explaination bro... your reasoning is based on supernaturals, fantasy, fables and myths.. mine is science... that's y.

Sorry, i was confused. I thought you want me to explain if Spirits can be cloned.
After We die all of our spirits will go to in the hand of God.
We all go back to dust because we came from dust.
whew... spirits indeed. tsk-tsk-tsk

di gyud ta mag-abot bro, paeta.... anyways thanks for the peaceful conversation bro...
it was quite fun for me.