Anything EMO - stop making other EMO related threads!!!

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ni init nsd ni nga thread dah..
arang2x nlng ning mag lalis unsai emo ug post-hxc kysa mg post2x ug mga hate2x.hehehe

bottom line: emo is different from post-hxc

[Blah-Blah]

pdi mo post pics sa hairstyles or gimme links nalang.. tnx

[keyser_soze]

@buckstab

yeah but fugazi, rites of spring and jawbreaker doesnt sound like minor threat, black flag, or bad brains, so dili gyud ni sila hardcore, diverse ra kaayo ang sounds sa mga emo para ma tawag apil sa hardcore.. pero bad brains pud diverse man pud ug sounds, ambot oi.. basta akong opinion kay the emo sound came from hardcore so technically it IS post-hardcore.. basin sayop ni, pero ako ning opinion on the topic

[Die_Trying]

I checked the site ... I think it's pure elitist crap, yet funny in a way.... and is clearly written by kids.

I wouldn't base my opinions on this site if I were you....

Those kids live and breathe in the scene. Though sarcastic they do have a point. They were not being elitists, they were just being sarcastic. See, its not only happening in phil that emokids pretend to be sad and stuff while listening to these "emo kuno" bands. Lovelost and suicide is not emo.

And i wasnt basing my opinions from them. Im just linking the site as an opener on the "basic basic" on what's happening on the scene now. Hardcore kids hate these "emo kuno" kids but the Hardcore kids listen to the real emo. See my point?..
Thats why theres a conflict between the emo and hc genre...Kay hantud karon the hc kids never considered "emo kuno" as another genre instead they consider the "real emo" as emotionally charged hc/punk.
Pero karun ang nahitabo gibuwag nila ang "emo kuno" sa hc, ingun sila lahi sila na genre,,, ang pinakataw-anan nila na claim kay emo came from goth.haha.. mao nang murag horror movie manul-ob ang uban like for example MCR.

@keyser_soze - you do have a point, gubot naman gud kaayu ron.... daghan na kaayu claims about these and that... post hardcore comes from hardcore.. ilang gi-associate ang emo sa post - hc kay ila gitry ug revive ang genre na hapit na mawala sa scene And that is the real emo... but the truth is the real emo dont sing about suicides and how depressing life is. So, these emo kuno kids made their own scene calling themselves emo with a post - hc approach.

And we can never deny the fact that Ian Mackaye is one of the pioneers of emo as he is an icon of the hardcore scene. So for short Emo is hardcore, hardcore kids listen to the real emo.. so there is no such thing as emo kids but hc/punk kids who listen to emo.

[buckstab]

@keyser_soze - you do have a point, gubot naman gud kaayu ron.... daghan na kaayu claims about these and that... post hardcore comes from hardcore.. ilang gi-associate ang emo sa post - hc kay ila gitry ug revive ang genre na hapit na mawala sa scene And that is the real emo... but the truth is the real emo dont sing about suicides and how depressing life is. So, these emo kuno kids made their own scene calling themselves emo with a post - hc approach.

And we can never deny the fact that Ian Mackaye is one of the pioneers of emo as he is an icon of the hardcore scene. So for short Emo is hardcore, hardcore kids listen to the real emo.. so there is no such thing as emo kids but hc/punk kids who listen to emo.

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[EZRA]

That's the "KID'S SCENE". I've been to "emo" shows here and they don't seggregate people ... the kids are the one's who's making a big deal out of everything..... EMO vs Harcore?? nobody pays attention to that. Not with the real music enthusiasts. Seriously, do people give a damn if a band crosses genres?? If they're signed under a major label or not? Or if a person listens to Sisters of Mercy, Minor Threat, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Fugazi, Abba, Shudder to Think, and Dashboard Confessional and like it at the same time? If the band is signed under a major or minor label?

Elitist kids like the site's author thinks it's taboo to be signed under a major label. He condemns bands who signs under a label and refers them sell outs or simply "mall emo". It has nothing to do with the sound so they claim. A co-author also claims that it has something to do with the lyrics, not much with the style and such. Such utter B.S. these are kids who's trying to classify which is which and what is what ... an elitist kinda way to look at things just to tell you the truth.

Why can't people take music as it is.. why do you have to overthink things? Does it have to be that way? When you press play ... do you start to appreciate what you hear or do you instead try to classify if what genre the sound you hear falls on?

It's all a phase... people go through that while growing up. They try to find their own identity and some tend to get so engulfed about the idea of being an individual that they try to compare and contrast themselves with others and see who's "real and who's not. You never hear or see this kind of argument among adults cause it's already done and over with... and if you hear a 20-something year old arguing if this band is post hardcore or emo or whatever it is, tell him to grow up.

[buckstab]

That's the "KID'S SCENE". I've been to "emo" shows here and they don't seggregate people ... the kids are the one's who's making a big deal out of everything..... EMO vs Harcore?? nobody pays attention to that. Not with the real music enthusiasts. Seriously, do people give a damn if a band crosses genres?? If they're signed under a major label or not? Or if a person listens to Sisters of Mercy, Minor Threat, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Fugazi, Abba, Shudder to Think, and Dashboard Confessional and like it at the same time? If the band is signed under a major or minor label?

Elitist kids like the site's author thinks it's taboo to be signed under a major label. He condemns bands who signs under a label and refers them sell outs or simply "mall emo". It has nothing to do with the sound so they claim. A co-author also claims that it has something to do with the lyrics, not much with the style and such. Such utter B.S. these are kids who's trying to classify which is which and what is what ... an elitist kinda way to look at things just to tell you the truth.

Why can't people take music as it is.. why do you have to overthink things? Does it have to be that way? When you press play ... do you start to appreciate what you hear or do you instead try to classify if what genre the sound you hear falls on?

It's all a phase... people go through that while growing up. They try to find their own identity and some tend to get so engulfed about the idea of being an individual that they try to compare and contrast themselves with others and see who's "real and who's not. You never hear or see this kind of argument among adults cause it's already done and over with... and if you hear a 20-something year old arguing if this band is post hardcore or emo or whatever it is, tell him to grow up.

Another +1

[Die_Trying]

That's the "KID'S SCENE". I've been to "emo" shows here and they don't seggregate people ... the kids are the one's who's making a big deal out of everything..... EMO vs Harcore?? nobody pays attention to that. Not with the real music enthusiasts. Seriously, do people give a damn if a band crosses genres?? If they're signed under a major label or not? Or if a person listens to Sisters of Mercy, Minor Threat, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Fugazi, Abba, Shudder to Think, and Dashboard Confessional and like it at the same time? If the band is signed under a major or minor label?

Elitist kids like the site's author thinks it's taboo to be signed under a major label. He condemns bands who signs under a label and refers them sell outs or simply "mall emo". It has nothing to do with the sound so they claim. A co-author also claims that it has something to do with the lyrics, not much with the style and such. Such utter B.S. these are kids who's trying to classify which is which and what is what ... an elitist kinda way to look at things just to tell you the truth.

Why can't people take music as it is.. why do you have to overthink things? Does it have to be that way? When you press play ... do you start to appreciate what you hear or do you instead try to classify if what genre the sound you hear falls on?

It's all a phase... people go through that while growing up. They try to find their own identity and some tend to get so engulfed about the idea of being an individual that they try to compare and contrast themselves with others and see who's "real and who's not. You never hear or see this kind of argument among adults cause it's already done and over with... and if you hear a 20-something year old arguing if this band is post hardcore or emo or whatever it is, tell him to grow up.

Hardcore aint about the music. Its about the ethics. Its about a belief to be confident in your own skin. A belief that we may look with different eyes but we are going through the same path. Where you dont have to be blood to be family.

You could ask any hardcore icon there or just any hardcore kid... they will tell you the same thing,"you aint hardcore if you dont live hardcore". Try to read some lyrics from some hardcore bands bro and you will understand. Its all about the ethics not the music. Yes, they use instruments to be heard. Some just support the scene but to be hardcore is to be one with the scene.

To respect those who deserve their respect. And how can they respect the "emo kuno" if these kids dont even know how to respect themselves. Commiting suicides?, dressing like some anorexic one sided haired geeks in the mall?... And dont get me wrong im not being an elitist here. That is the truth on whats happening in the scene. These kids claiming this and that without having any idea what they are into, for short fashioncore or fadcore. In phillippine context "poser".

Guys who tend to transfer to the next genre if its not cool anymore. Always listening to www.This is the next big genre.com or www.You aint cool if you dont listen to these bands.com. Its all fad for some but for hardcore, its a lifestyle."" Hope you understand and respect that. ""

Emo is hardcore. But these self proclaimed emo bands label themselves this but they aint got the ethics to live with it. And again in hardcore music comes second, ethics comes first. So these bands are false / not emo.

Disregard hardcore from any genre. They dont care how they sound. Listen to some real hardcore bands. Listen to what they are saying. Trace their actions. They are doing something not just for the scene or for the good of themselves but for the whole society ex. petacore, veggies, straight edge, hardlines etc..

And that is not acting like a kid. Hardcore is the most mature, straight up lyrical assault based on life itself.. Many tend to misunderstand this genre. Calling some numetal bands hardcore like slipknot, mudvayne etc. Murder, death, satanism and writing stuff about suicidal tendencies is not hardcore. That is completely being immature (sorry death metal fans). And havent you noticed even through the years Hardcore hasn't change even a bit the way they sound (kumbaga signature) - the gang vocals, the beatdown parts, the groove parts, the d-beats and some hyper blasts - they just made it more good to hear without removing the signature points.

Listen to the music well now read the Lyrics:

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/withhonor/demo.html#2

[balut_man]

^^ bay, sorry to rain on your parade...but since you mentioned that "hardcore ain't about the music", i just wanna ask this: someone who is vegan and/or a member of a radicalist group but doesn't listen to "hardcore" music - is he then considered "hardcore"?

[EZRA]

Hardcore is about the ethics, not really about the music and the bands? Yet you and the people/authors in that website you recommended for us to read classified some bands and their music as hardcore... even referred hardcore as a genre.
And with this paragraph :

"""""" And that is not acting like a kid. Hardcore is the most mature, straight up lyrical assault based on life itself.. Many tend to misunderstand this genre. Calling some numetal bands hardcore like slipknot, mudvayne etc. Murder, death, satanism and writing stuff about suicidal tendencies is not hardcore. That is completely being immature (sorry death metal fans). And havent you noticed even through the years Hardcore hasn't change even a bit the way they sound (kumbaga signature) - the gang vocals, the beatdown parts, the groove parts, the d-beats and some hyper blasts - they just made it more good to hear without removing the signature points.""""""

You clearly stated that hardcore embodied through music has a distinct (signature) sound... the groove parts (HUH?) .. beatdown, hyperblast (what is this anyways). It's still about the sound, right? It's one of the ways to identify the "hardcore" sound. ... which actually contradicts the previous paragraph you wrote:

"""""Disregard hardcore from any genre. They dont care how they sound. Listen to some real hardcore bands. Listen to what they are saying. Trace their actions. They are doing something not just for the scene or for the good of themselves but for the whole society ex. petacore, veggies, straight edge, hardlines etc.."""""

-- cause it seems that they do follow a guideline on how they should sound. To be honest... if the lyrics on which the link you posted was sung by Celine Dion, would it still be Hard Core


And about living hardcore.... do these 16 year old kids who lives with their parents and asking for allowances living hardcore? To be hardcore is to be one with the scene --yeah, Until of course when you go home and demand or at least expect your parents to feed and clothe you, right?

Enlighten me... what are the ethics that embodies the whole sense of being HARDCORE?
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As far as the lyrics goes... I can get the same messages when listening to A Perfect Circle, The Sisters of Mercy... HECK, even METALLICA with their earlier works...