Davao has taken the lead in 2005 vigilante killings

[finepix]

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Update:

Davao City: 26 killings as of January 21, 2005.
Cebu: 20 vigilante-killings as of January 21, 2005.


http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb...s.covered.html

[off^tangent]

and that didn't make davao crime-free. they've done it for long now, but they have not gotten rid of the crimes altogether. it just means it's not the solution to the problem. the list will just go on and on...
the case for cebu city won't be any different...

went to davao and everybody there is texting even on jeepneys and on what looks like an unfriendly neighborhood... haven't seen people jay walked, haven't seen cars parking on a no parking area.... i think they're doin something good over there...

that's true, that's what most people say about davao city. therefore, i might say that davao city residents are better citizens than cebuanos. how about that? ahehehe
we should know that death squads don't make law abiders out of the populace, scaring people don't make them good citizens either. i wonder whats the big deal about these squads, how some people could embrace them as if they were messiahs. as if we have lived in a state of heaven all our lives that we really need these angels of death just because we can no longer use our cellphones inside the jeepneys. we don't even know much about the mechanisms of their work that we put so much trust on, where the only rule of engagement they have is shoot a person to death at point blank 'on his back' for whatever 'sins' he has commited. isn't it scary to have certain groups like that roaming around, armed and loaded with a twisted sense of messianic mission, considering that we ourselves have 'sinned' too? what if one day they won't like obnoxious postings in istorya and violators will be dealt with their absolute justice? ayayayayay!

no system can completely eliminate crime. even god himself wasn't able to stop adam and eve from doin a crime in his own turf... how much more kita?

then, who needs death squads?

[finepix]

Suspected vigilantes in Davao gun down 5 in one day

Update:

Davao City: 32 killings as of January 25, 2005.
Cebu: 20 vigilante-killings as of January 25, 2005.

http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index....story_id=25204

[zer0_cooL]

whats this? a contest between davao and cebu? kung knsa ang pinaka daghan na napatay? geesh...

[finepix]

Update:

Davao City: 35 killings as of January 26, 2005.
Cebu: 20 vigilante-killings as of January 26, 2005.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav...im.downed.html

[foreplay]

justice comes in may forms...

i remember davao 15 years ago being a warzone. everybody was afraid of going out because of rebels roaming the streets. the national government wasn't able to solve the problem of one city so the people along with the local government took it upon themselves to find another solution. achieve peace thru conflict. i admit times have changed but there are still some who remain hardened into inflicting violence into a peaceful society. i am not saying that these killings can be MORALLY justified but then we have to admit it works. today, davao is one of the most peaceful cities in terms of local crime, excluding terrorism. i'm referring to petty crimes such as snatches, drug pushing, rapes. these perpetrators know only one language, violence, then the people will respond with that language. an eye for an eye.

"...the point being that just because the execution has not been working doesn't mean it should be thrown out..."

it's not really being thrown out, it's just finding a more effective way of dealing with things.

"...I'm curious at what data you have that proves that these killings in fact have "positive effects"..."

it has... i'm from davao and i've lived here all my life. i've seen the killings during the NPA time 15 years ago... seen the rampantness of drugs... there was even a time that we couldn't go out because so many gangs were on the streets.

i'm not pro-vigilantism, i'm pro-peace... sometimes, we just have to face the fact that the law isn't the only thing we can turn to...

[vern]

it's not really being thrown out, it's just finding a more effective way of dealing with things.

Then don't throw it out. Was "finding a more effective way" sanctioned by the law? If it wasn't ... then "finding a more effective way" is essentially throwing the law out.

it has... i'm from davao and i've lived here all my life. i've seen the killings during the NPA time 15 years ago... seen the rampantness of drugs... there was even a time that we couldn't go out because so many gangs were on the streets.

And it has gotten better because of vigilantism? ... and not because of government sanctioned efforts to get rid of crime? Are we to believe that these gangs, drugdealers and the organization that is the NPA were put at bay because ordinary citizens rose up and took arms? We have to admit it works? I admit. I admit it might scare one or two ... but that is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

i'm not pro-vigilantism, i'm pro-peace... sometimes, we just have to face the fact that the law isn't the only thing we can turn to...

You want people to not commit crime, hence, not break the law ... but then you say it is ok to turn around and commit another crime in the name of peace ... by breaking the law. Yes, let us face the facts ... facts that only through the organization and through the law will there be lasting peace as you hoped. The Philippines has already gone through this stage of "taking the law into your own hands". The US has gone through it ... we called it the wild west. Europe has gone through it ... they called it the dark ages. The Babylonians practiced it .... an eye for an eye ... it's no surprise where it led them. This is not progress, but a step back in the wrong direction.

I have more to say, but I'd only be repeating what off^tangent has already said.

[finepix]

i rather encourage EVERYBODY to just read my post/update and not make any comment on it. i made this d@#n topic (in 6 boards) to update everyone on the "vigilante game" between cities of cebu and davao.

a lot of us here in istorya.net doesn't give a rat's ass on your opinions. PERIOD.

otherwise, i'm outta here and just update the other 5 boards.

entiende

we're smarter than you are.

[vern]

finepix: I pity you that you think this is a game. A lot of istoryans may not care ... but then those same istoryans think this is a game have shit for brains. Don't mock yourself by saying it's a game and then tell me you (we? who do you mean by we?) are smarter than me. At the very least people who I have discussed with actually had an opinion which is a lot more than I can say for you. For all intensive purposes, nobody asked for a play by play ... nor did you have to give it. You can go back to those 5 other boards and shove it because here at istorya, if you don't want people to reply, then try your best to sit in the corner wearing the dunce hat and shut the hell up. Comprenez? I doubt it ... you don't have the metal capacity

[estor_boot]

maayo na! sa una kita panguyawan molaag sa colon.. karon, ang mga dautan na pod ang dili katulog..