MERGED: Divorce in the Philippines

[bim27142]

divorce is stupid...

no it's not... in fact it is very logical... remember, "logical" so don't put religion into place kay some are totally against it... some, not all...

why get married in the first place kung mag buwag lang mo?

this is what i find stupid though... you surely don't know what you are talking about...

[lostatlast]

Pro-divorce. The issue here is social, not religious. Two people in a marriage with children who can no longer come to terms will be destructive, both to the individuals and their children, especially if this is an abusive relationship. If you have kids, you are STILL socially, emotionally, and financially responsible for them, even if you're separated. "Why get married in the first place if mag.buwag lang mo?" Because people and feelings change, and that can't be controlled by a religious vow. Not getting a divorce when it's truly needed does more bad than good. It's like telling people they have no other choice but to suffer.

[Ice Knight 7]

TO add to my previous post, I say no also for the sake of the health of the people. If one were to break from his spouse who has no AIDS, and marries another one who has AIDS, then he who engages *** with his second wife will be infected too and then heads for another divorce, remarries and infects another. Damn! Di ko sugot ani! Mura na tag mga animals ani nga maskig kinsa ray partner. Maypa diay ang Schistosoma species kay "faithful" kaayo ang husband sa wife.



Another thing is that di pud ko ayon ani kay labag ni sa true stability of the family. Only death by the call of the Lord can break your marriage by becoming a widow, nothing more, nothing less.

[Zebastian rella]

source: abs-cbnnews.com
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MANILA, Philippines - Party-list group Gabriela has revived the Divorce Bill in Congress.

Gabriela Representative Emmi de Jesus said divorce is a more affordable option than annulment, for which the ground of psychological incapacity is often difficult to prove.

Problems with annulment
Family law expert Atty. Evelyn Ursua said there are many problems that come with having a marriage annulled.

"Conceptually, it's problematic. We do creative interpretation. It encourages corruption. It's a tedious and expensive process. Almost all the cases that reach the Supreme Court were denied petition for declaration of nullity, except in very few cases. Kung sufficient ang remedy na 'yan, we would not propose a divorce bill," she said in an interview with ANC's Headstart on Wednesday.
Ursua estimated the cost of divorce proceedings to run up to P300,000 or below minus the cost of clinical psychologists.

She admitted that given the tediousness of annulment proceedings, they have been riddled with the practice of paying off people involved in the process, including psychology experts, to get a decree of annulment on the ground of psychological incapacity.

Ursua noted that adultery is not a ground for annulment, and concerned parties have to show that it is a manifestation of a psychological disorder that constitutes psychological incapacity to perform the essential marital obligations.

Given the range of problems and difficulties that come with having a marriage annulled, Ursua believes divorce may be a more practical remedy for Filipinos who need to get out of a bad marriage.

Grounds for divorce
Ursua said there are also more specific and quantifiable grounds for divorce.

These include:
1) separation in fact: parties separated for 5 years wherein reconciliation is highly improbable;
2) legal separation for at least 2 years wherein reconciliation is highly improbable;
3) when the grounds for legal separation cause the irreparable breakdown of the marriage;
4) psychological incapacity; and,
5) when parties suffer from irreconcilable differences that cause the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.

Ursua noted divorce also provides a period of support.

"For a period of one year, pwede humingi ng support ang isang party, depending on their financial capacity, to give the spouse time to look for work and regain lost ground," Ursua said, adding divorce will not affect the children's right to parental support.

Church opposition vs. public clamor
Despite such perceived advantages, the measure is expected to meet opposition from the Catholic church.

Bishop Oscar Cruz has said, in the absence of divorce, the church can declare a marriage void if domestic violence is proven.

Currently, divorce is allowed in Italy, home of the Vatican, where the law of the state is separate from the Church law.

Despite such opposition to the measure, Ursua believes there is strong public clamor for a divorce bill. She called on the public to voice its support to the measure for it to gain ground, and not to leave the measure to the country's legislators alone.
Ursua also hopes the Church and the State see the need to provide couples with a solution to a problematic marriage.

"There's no prohibition in the Constitution against the legalization of divorce. The state law should not discriminate and prefer one religious belief against another," she explained.

Conservatives have called for the need to strengthen families, saying making divorce available may only encourage couples to separate.

Ursua disagreed. "We should trust the cultural restraints in Philippine society, the value given to marriage and family, but we need to give remedies to people who need to terminate a failed marriage."

Divorce in the Philippines
Historically, Ursua noted, divorce was practiced in the Philippines under the 1935 Constitution before it was removed in the New Civil Code.

"We used to have a divorce law in the Philippines before August 30, 1950," Ursua said, adding former Vice President Arturo Tolentino was among the Filipinos who availed of it and remarried before the law was changed.

To this day, Ursua added, the remedy is available for those under the Muslim law.
"The Muslim Filipinos have divorce under the Muslim code so it's only non-Muslim Filipinos who can't avail of divorce at this time."

The Philippines and Malta are the only two countries in the world that don't allow divorce.
As debates are expected to heat up on the Divorce Bill, in the same way as the Reproductive Health Bill, time will tell whether the measure gains ground in a country where family unity is held as sacred, if not more so than the very rite of marriage.

i wholeheartedly agree with this bill kay lisod kaayo makigpuyo under one roof sa imo partner if wa namo love sa usag usa...

[lostatlast]

You're disregarding the fact that humans are incredibly complex. Comparing them to other species doesn't really work, since most other species or animals mate based on instinct or nature. They don't undergo a religious ceremony entitling them to stay with eachother forever. They just do, whereas humans deserve and have the right to choose. People married and unmarried spread HIV/AIDS/STDs. That has nothing to do with marriage, just the individual's irresponsibility.

[3nZ0y]

TO add to my previous post, I say no also for the sake of the health of the people. If one were to break from his spouse who has no AIDS, and marries another one who has AIDS, then he who engages *** with his second wife will be infected too and then heads for another divorce, remarries and infects another. Damn! Di ko sugot ani! Mura na tag mga animals ani nga maskig kinsa ray partner. Maypa diay ang Schistosoma species kay "faithful" kaayo ang husband sa wife.



Another thing is that di pud ko ayon ani kay labag ni sa true stability of the family. Only death by the call of the Lord can break your marriage by becoming a widow, nothing more, nothing less.

So you are trying to say nga marriage is purely religious so we cannot put a stop to it like divorce because God will be angry? And divorce is not a healthy practice because this encourages multiple partners which might cause AIDS? Open your eyes, my friend. Sorry to disappoint you, but not everything is about religion and their version of morality.

[Ice Knight 7]

So you are trying to say nga marriage is purely religious so we cannot put a stop to it like divorce because God will be angry? And divorce is not a healthy practice because this encourages multiple partners which might cause AIDS? Open your eyes, my friend. Sorry to disappoint you, but not everything is about religion and their version of morality.

What are you saying? Are you an athiest? Marriage is both religious and part of the community that has been passed down from generation to generation with vows that are irrevocable. As to the second part... Yes indeed! Without knowing, AIDS or any other STDs might be one debacle that would come to our people because of this divorce stuff. It would become a threat to health because of how this lifestyle goes on and on. Open my eyes? SURE! My eyes are even open, bigger than that of tarsiers because of broad viewpoint. If religion was not present, will it not cause some sort of uncontrollable immorality? Look here, IRC, there was a case in Great Britain wherein there was a year that there was a massive chaos that broke loose where until the Church went against that chaos and then what happened? Order returned to that society. In a similar way, the Church is the one that was given the teaching that upholds this order to the marriage of people that they cannot be broken. Now, if I were to add some more, it would be that God is higher than our own intellect. Far superior and as a universal rule, the Superior One must be obeyed for He is the Eternal Creator by whom all things are made be it visible and invisible. It is our duty to obey His teachings about this Sacrament for this preserves the integrity and dignity of one person if he or she is married. What, are we gonna become harlots of lust? If you say "Yes" then it would be a total disrespect to God, this disrespect is a wrongdoing, and every wrongdoing is a sin, and we do not want to sin right? For if this goes on, we would totally go bonkers left and right.

To rephrase it, God wanted us to have only one spouse so that one can be full of integrity and dignity towards the other and to the community as well. This single marriage is also made because it was intended for us not just those but to avoid getting any STDs as a result of multiple partners. It is a truth that we must bear forever that by this safe practice, we are assured that we are staying healthy both in body and soul.

Now if you ask me if "Are you married?", my response is, "Nope! I am still single!" But why am I against divorce, is because of integrity and dignity of married couples who are given the grace that God gave them to be who they are. Now if you ask me "What if the person went nuts?", prayer, patience, humility, agape, and the most is trust in the Lord would be the answer to that. It is hard to do but hard as it may be, it is a test that we must pass.

[lostatlast]

What are you saying? Are you an athiest? Marriage is both religious and part of the community that has been passed down from generation to generation with vows that are irrevocable. As to the second part... Yes indeed! Without knowing, AIDS or any other STDs might be one debacle that would come to our people because of this divorce stuff. It would become a threat to health because of how this lifestyle goes on and on. Open my eyes? SURE! My eyes are even open, bigger than that of tarsiers because of broad viewpoint. If religion was not present, will it not cause some sort of uncontrollable immorality? Look here, IRC, there was a case in Great Britain wherein there was a year that there was a massive chaos that broke loose where until the Church went against that chaos and then what happened? Order returned to that society. In a similar way, the Church is the one that was given the teaching that upholds this order to the marriage of people that they cannot be broken. Now, if I were to add some more, it would be that God is higher than our own intellect. Far superior and as a universal rule, the Superior One must be obeyed for He is the Eternal Creator by whom all things are made be it visible and invisible. It is our duty to obey His teachings about this Sacrament for this preserves the integrity and dignity of one person if he or she is married. What, are we gonna become harlots of lust? If you say "Yes" then it would be a total disrespect to God, this disrespect is a wrongdoing, and every wrongdoing is a sin, and we do not want to sin right? For if this goes on, we would totally go bonkers left and right.

To rephrase it, God wanted us to have only one spouse so that one can be full of integrity and dignity towards the other and to the community as well. This single marriage is also made because it was intended for us not just those but to avoid getting any STDs as a result of multiple partners. It is a truth that we must bear forever that by this safe practice, we are assured that we are staying healthy both in body and soul.

Now if you ask me if "Are you married?", my response is, "Nope! I am still single!" But why am I against divorce, is because of integrity and dignity of married couples who are given the grace that God gave them to be who they are. Now if you ask me "What if the person went nuts?", prayer, patience, humility, agape, and the most is trust in the Lord would be the answer to that. It is hard to do but hard as it may be, it is a test that we must pass.

You're talking about religion. You're even using STDs as a petty excuse to oppose divorce. Talk to us about how well off the kids will be if their parents don't get a divorce. Talk to us about how they cope emotionally and socially when they come home every day to a mother or father that has to force themselves to stay composed for their sake, even when their spouse is flamboyantly engaging in a relationship with another person and their children, not their own. Talk to us about how humans simply deserve to be trapped in a relationship of emotional and even physical suffering. Talk to us about how it's totally okay that there are plenty of wives and children have been beaten, even to the point of death. All of this because they are still tied to something that is holding them down. Your eyes may be open, but your mind is not.

[Ice Knight 7]

You're talking about religion. You're even using STDs as a petty excuse to oppose divorce. Talk to us about how well off the kids will be if their parents don't get a divorce. Talk to us about how they cope emotionally and socially when they come home every day to a mother or father that has to force themselves to stay composed for their sake, even when their spouse is flamboyantly engaging in a relationship with another person and their children, not their own. Talk to us about how humans simply deserve to be trapped in a relationship of emotional and even physical suffering. Talk to us about how it's totally okay that there are plenty of wives and children have been beaten, even to the point of death. All of this because they are still tied to something that is holding them down. Your eyes may be open, but your mind is not.

Are you following the f Nietzsche's viewpoint here? I see where this is heading, a pessimistic view.

I'll answer the first two parts in your response first, the rest will be done later.

Why am I putting Christian stuffs here it is because the church's teachings are infallible and true! If one were to devote oneself in practicing their faith and living in religious life be it married or single then this world would've been a safe haven, like a cup of paradise on Earth. Now, tell me which teaching of the church is fallible? Which? Which? WHICH?

Using STDs as an excuse? Is it not obvious to one's health in the process of doing divorce and remarriages? Isn't it not a problem that will be faced in the future if this goes on and on? Look at it at the other sides and the result will still be the same. For the sake of not contracting an STD, have only one partner. Do not engage in such unsafe practices that may ruin oneself or else, one would suffer greatly.

Ganahan diay ka magminjo og naay STD as deadly as AIDS?

[lostatlast]

Are you following the f Nietzsche's viewpoint here? I see where this is heading, a pessimistic view.

I'll answer the first two parts in your response first, the rest will be done later.

Why am I putting Christian stuffs here it is because the church's teachings are infallible and true! If one were to devote oneself in practicing their faith and living in religious life be it married or single then this world would've been a safe haven, like a cup of paradise on Earth. Now, tell me which teaching of the church is fallible? Which? Which? WHICH?

Using STDs as an excuse? Is it not obvious to one's health in the process of doing divorce and remarriages? Isn't it not a problem that will be faced in the future if this goes on and on? Look at it at the other sides and the result will still be the same. For the sake of not contracting an STD, have only one partner. Do not engage in such unsafe practices that may ruin oneself or else, one would suffer greatly.

Ganahan diay ka magminjo og naay STD as deadly as AIDS?

Are you here to preach or to discuss the relevant issues regarding the repercussions of not getting a divorce? You just totally ignored every point I laid out and smothered it with more religion. I'm concerned with the welfare of struggling families, not God, not Jesus, not Catholicism, not the Church; the PEOPLE. The human beings. But then again, I'm not surprised either. You'll see one day, sweetheart. You won't have to admit it, but you'll definitely know it.