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  1. #91

    Default Re: Fixing our country: Where did we go wrong?


    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    please don't equate our constitution with liberty... though the constitution provides a provision of liberty, but it also provided provisions that violate liberty...

    we have to start somewhere. Even your concept of liberty must be based on something somewhere. Now if the constitution does have provisions that violate your liberty, then a move should be made to amend it. Otherwise, we wouldn't get anywhere with your arguments which are neither grounded nor proven in a real world scenario.

    It is the economic consequence of political policies that endangers the future of all citizens, and somehow we can't seem to separate both... As long as the government is allowed to do the planning, there will never be any change towards progress... Government should never be the medium through which any citizen depend his labor with...

    The future can be directed with changes in the policies according to what is on the ground and can be deliberated. If the government is NOT allowed to do the planning, who will? You? With whom? Labor is not dependent on Government, it is an individual choice. One can choose not to work if he doesn't want to. But if there is no work available, is there a choice?

    There is only one true unity, unity for liberty.... let man live or destroy his own life, with the government never to interfere or intercede.... government can never give anything without first robbing it legally from some one...

    Unity for liberty... that is too vague a declaration. Have you considered the factor of culture in your assumptions? How do we achieve that? Shouldn't the citizens 'unite' first before any declaration for all is laid down and accepted freely? How can you unilaterally presume the government is 'legally robbing' someone to give another? You are NOT the only taxpayer in this country, and things won't change at all even if you evade those taxes due you. Isn't there any good at all that the government can do?

    I am against a central planning mentality...Are we on a path to socialism and communism? All central planning mentality, good or bad, leads to socialism and communism whereby the liberty of the citizens will diminish for the sake of "progress." We become utilitarian in nature and degrade the human dignity of which liberty has initially bestowed...

    What is 'central planning mentality?' So how do you propose plans are made for all? To each his own? Wouldn't that lead to anarchy instead?
    While you are so eloquent in articulating your philosophy, it remains a philosophy that does not have any real world proof of success, AT ALL.

    Meanwhile, to fix our country, let's keep our feet on the ground first. Let us think of what is NOW and not what is ahead. I think it best we start by making changes in our constitution. Repeal the 60/40 foreign ownership provision and allow capital to flow in freely. More jobs, more competition, better economy. Then let's take it from there.
    Last edited by eezychair; 01-10-2012 at 10:18 AM.

  2. #92

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    in that case, that would take a lot of debate and opposition since most of the people in govt are owners of this businesses, i guess most agendas are actually bias on their behalf....

  3. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteKelso View Post
    in that case, that would take a lot of debate and opposition since most of the people in govt are owners of this businesses, i guess most agendas are actually bias on their behalf....
    In the first place, that provision was placed in the cory constitution on the behest of the oligarchs then to protect their interest. So, yes, there will be strong opposltion to it by these people. Yet it will be to the benefit of more to repeal it. Why do you think businesses are set up by foreign nationals in countries like thailand, vietnam, malaysia or indonesia (where many ofws go)?
    Last edited by eezychair; 01-10-2012 at 10:20 AM.

  4. #94

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezychair View Post
    In the first place, that provision was placed in the cory constitution on the behest of the oligarchs then to protect their interest. So, yes, there will be strong opposltion to it by these people. Yet it will be to the benefit of more to repeal it. Why do you think businesses are set up by foreign nationals in countries like thailand, vietnam, malaysia or indonesia (where many ofws go)?
    money, jobs, investments, etc....sky is the limit!Well other nations have their
    own motives and own agendas, my whole point is how are we going to solve
    and change the constitution since most of our govt players are into money?
    will they listen if we tell them to change the constitution? of course not... i think we need a strong blow to turn off the constitution...the question is how?

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    Default Re: Fixing our country: Where did we go wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteKelso View Post
    money, jobs, investments, etc....sky is the limit!Well other nations have their
    own motives and own agendas, my whole point is how are we going to solve
    and change the constitution since most of our govt players are into money?
    will they listen if we tell them to change the constitution?
    Mid term elections is just around the corner. Choose representatives well. Be an intelligent voter and convince others to be too. If you really believe repealing this provision is right, spread the word.

  6. #96

    Default Re: Fixing our country: Where did we go wrong?

    ako sd nabantayan no nga naa lang mahimo projects kng hapit na election..y man kng regular days lng buhaton...

  7. #97

    Default Re: Fixing our country: Where did we go wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by eezychair View Post
    Mid term elections is just around the corner. Choose representatives well. Be an intelligent voter and convince others to be too. If you really believe repealing this provision is right, spread the word.
    naa sad kay punto, unya onsaon man nimo if ang imong gi butohan mao lang gihapon?

  8. #98

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    sa akong nabasa sa mga post diri, naka conclude ko nga ang atung nasud WAY PAG-ASA mausab.

  9. #99

    Default Re: Fixing our country: Where did we go wrong?

    Where did we go wrong?

    The answer is Manuel Luis Quezon, 1940.

    "I would rather see a Philippines run like HELL by Filipinos than run like HEAVEN by Americans!"

    Now we are in HELL...run of course by Filipinos.............

    Quote Originally Posted by eezychair View Post
    Mid term elections is just around the corner. Choose representatives well. Be an intelligent voter and convince others to be too. If you really believe repealing this provision is right, spread the word.
    Not every voter is QUALIFIED to be an intelligent voter. That is the first failure of democracy in this country.
    Last edited by kuyabog; 01-10-2012 at 12:08 PM.

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    Default Re: Fixing our country: Where did we go wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by eezychair View Post
    While you are so eloquent in articulating your philosophy, it remains a philosophy that does not have any real world proof of success, AT ALL.

    Meanwhile, to fix our country, let's keep our feet on the ground first. Let us think of what is NOW and not what is ahead. I think it best we start by making changes in our constitution. Repeal the 60/40 foreign ownership provision and allow capital to flow in freely. More jobs, more competition, better economy. Then let's take it from there.
    just study history, collectivism versus free market.... You are so wrong, the proof of success lies not solely in the absoluteness of liberty but also to those countries whose markets are closer to the end of the spectrum of liberty... and the world has a lot of proof for that...

    the suggestions you have given are also what i want to advocate.. more jobs, more competition, no protectionism....How do you suggest to increase jobs?

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