MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[dodong69]

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hahahaha...amawa tubaga..... wala ka kabaw unsa social ramifications kung hagsa economy? civil war, communist take over, increased crime rate, devalued money, increased tax, massive INFLATION, increase unemployment, etc..... ang usa ka pan, paliton niya nimu pila ka libo....

so pasagdan lang nato bai? communist take over? asa dapita
pila rana sila bai dili pata magkalisud ug polboson na sila.
kinsa man mas amaw karon bai?

[666satan]

wla mo kita ato nga video..katong gipatay sa basilan...louya sa tulo oi...putol man jd ang ulo...mura man nagkatay og baboy..paghuman putol sa ulo sulod sa sako....

try daw ni...mura remove na...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CRww...ature=youtu.be

[dodong69]

wla mo kita ato nga video..katong gipatay sa basilan...louya sa tulo oi...putol man jd ang ulo...mura man nagkatay og baboy..paghuman putol sa ulo sulod sa sako....

bai paki post sa link.. ty

[gareb]

it is easy for us to rattle our sabers and call for an all out war after what has happened to the soldiers. the quest for retribution is normal; blood for blood. we see ourselves in the shoes of their families and the bitter loss that they might be feeling right now.

while we, who might not be in anyway related to them call for an "all-out war", here is what 2nd Lt. Erren Khe, the brother of the late Lt. Jose Delfin Khe, has to say about the entire thing in There's the Rub: "Tougher" by Conrado de Quiros;

“I personally witnessed what they did to the bodies. One of the victims, well, let’s just say his body was defiled. Another had his organ lopped off. Isn’t a bullet enough to kill an enemy, a soldier? Isn’t an M16, an M14, enough? Do you have to hack off the dead again and again?” (Roughly translated from the Tagalog.)

Second off, he spoke to the earth, while he and his brother’s family wanted justice, they did not want revenge. He said that was what the families of the other slain soldiers wanted too. They wanted justice—through legal means and not through more bloodshed in Mindanao.

“Ayaw po nilang dumanak ang dugo sa Mindanao. Ayaw na ayaw na po nila sapagkat sobra sobra na raw po ang mga naibuwis na buhay sa Mindanao. Subalit gusto po nila ng hustisya sa pamamagitan ng tamang proseso, ’yung ligal na proseso. (They do not want more blood spilled in Mindanao. They say too many lives have already been lost in Mindanao. They want justice, but through the right process, the legal process.) We want transparency and accountability (in the investigation of the Al-Barka incident).”

indeed, the challenge of sobriety over the pain and anger of loss is tougher.

[diatabz]

awkie raman kung hagsa economiya.... bsta mahurot lang na mga rebeldiha... isa pa kung dli ma hagsa corruption mansad labas
wa ghapon ayo... dayuna na tawon na uy!

Sugot man kaha ka ang usa ka pan de sal tag 50 na? Ang kilo sa bugas tag 200?

[ruji119]

wla mo kita ato nga video..katong gipatay sa basilan...louya sa tulo oi...putol man jd ang ulo...mura man nagkatay og baboy..paghuman putol sa ulo sulod sa sako....

try daw ni...mura remove na...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CRww...ature=youtu.be

myta naay lain link ani

[ruji119]

Sugot man kaha ka ang usa ka pan de sal tag 50 na? Ang kilo sa bugas tag 200?

sugot ko pero dugay pana mahitabo!

[emow]

so pasagdan lang nato bai? communist take over? asa dapita
pila rana sila bai dili pata magkalisud ug polboson na sila.
kinsa man mas amaw karon bai?

ni ingon ku na pasagdan? dont conjure words into my mouth.... you have discredited yourself as a participant in this intellectual discussion.... pathetic.

The ramifications of a destabilized economy is far and wide.. war is the greatest economic suicide any nation can do.... why? simple.... you inves billions in infra and business, you get roi after many years.... you invest hundreds of billions in war, you get 0 ROI if you're lucky... at worst, you'll be indebted to world bankers... Philippines in its current economic development, is lacking in resources to fully implement an effective war... Bombs cost more than 200T per piece.... multiply that by the thousands... you can inch your way into understanding the staggering cost war can suck from our pockets... War is a negative investment... it is paid by the lives of soldiers, and the savings of the civilians from the entire country.... Government reserves will be drained and will be forced to increase taxes and inflate money supply just to sustain a war.... inflation decreases purchasing power of the people, and compounded by increase taxes, people would feel their lives getting harder and harder..... in this kind of scenario, several forces can use propaganda to encourage people to revolt and change the the government.... NPA for example has a lot of propaganda arms scattered in every province...

note: eraps campaign cost hundreds of billions for a couple months of war.... and was far from eradicating the abu sayyaf and milf....

[gareb]

put it this way: cost of war (2008 figures) http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/rel...ar-in-Mindanao

• 39.20p / bala 50 caliber machine gun
• 8,515p /round 81 mm mortar
• 31,228p /bala 105 mm howitzer
• 214,000p / each of the 250 pound OVA bombs

now multiply that to x number of rounds used, x number of days. can we afford it?

[gareb]

an insightful read about how conflicts arise in Mindanao and the power-plays behind it. (excerpts; highlights mine)

Kris-Crossing Mindanao: Big war, small wars
Antonio Montalvan II

Military solutions of the past have never worked out. Since colonial times, under Spain and the United States, no assault on the conflict areas of Mindanao has ever succeeded. Nor have we seen a breakthrough under any Philippine president, including under Erap Estrada who now claims his all-out war achieved total victory. If it did, how come government is still at the battlefront?

Manila will always be the wrong party to determine the strategies to solve and end the Mindanao conflict. Manila has always understood Mindanao in its own terms and for that, it will always remain an irrelevant player, an interloper even, when it comes to Mindanao affairs.

Canuday had observed that localized armed conflicts—clan feuds known as “rido”—feed on large-scale wars that are fought between state forces and rebel forces. Perceived enemies in clan feuds often use the military resources of either the state or the rebels, depending on where their loyalty lies. It is thus the community character, the interplay of power and social relations that Manila overlooks. It is an incredible fact that among local armed conflicts, nationalism for a Bangsamoro state is not even discussed.