MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[gareb]

para nako..ha dili jud dapat mo hatag ug kwarta ang goberno sa mga rebelde..pagka ngan nga rebelde sila against na sila sa governo.maski para confidence building pana or unsa.kanusa paman d i maka learn ug lesson ang atong governo?

during the time of erap nakita nato nga ang project nga para irragation canal gihomo nila nga konreto trenches ug bunker. tungod kay si ramos cge lang ug peace talk...

well, there are of course other confidence building measures that does not involve direct cash dole-outs, that is if you are really interested in making peace.

confidence building measures are just mere steps for the entire peace process to restart the ball rolling, with the ultimate aim of resolving the conflict.

Tanawa ang MNLF..ni sign ug peace agreement sa government pro naka pugong ba sila sa pag create ni Hashim salamat sa MILF wala? now karon tanawon nato..ang MILF wala nay control sa ilang ubang nga field commanders..like Umbra Kato nga karon ng tukod na ug bagon group..unsaon mana? ang next government makig peace talk napud sa group ni umbra kato? and the next napud? walay undang ang peace talk diha kay tanan gusto mg leader.

the MNLF-GRP peace agreement failed simply because the demands of the Bangsamoro via the MNLF was not fulfilled by the institutionalization of the ARMM, which became a spectacular failure with its warlord politicians dominating the scene, becoming pets to whoever is in power at Manila.

can you blame the Bangsamoro for asking what was not given to them after the peace agreement, and for taking up arms yet again in the form of MILF?

this is the lesson about trying to close a chapter in our history that we still do not fully grasp. you can eliminate/annihilate a group via political or military means, but as long as the reason why they came to be remains, another will ultimately take its place.

like sa gisulti sa usa ka officer didto sabasilan ang PINTAKKASI aktibo didto ug mga relatives lang ni sila ma side man sa MILF Civilian o Abu Sayyaf..mg tinabangay ni sila kung kinahanglan na..

of course they would. some of them are relatives after all. when shells start exploding, you'd rather stand side by side with people you know.

dapat humanon na unta ni noynoy..kung mo go all out war siya i know daghan ang mo support niya. gasto kaayo ang gubat pro mas dako ug makita ang government kung peaceful na ang mindanao.

to attain peace we have to go all out war against those rebel group.

a military solution will not solve this conflict. again, as i have said in the previous posts, what you are asking for is genocide. waging a war against the MILF will be like waging a war against an entire people. of course the GRP can wipe out the MILF. but at what cost?

• war-torn Mindanao that will need decades and billions to fix, if it still can be fixed.
• thousands of shattered families and useless lands,
• a radicalized Muslim population which can produce hurling bodies suicide-bomber-style at urban centers Manila, Cebu, Davao.
• war-spending the budget that isn't enough at the first place.
• compromised political base for the president as the war will divide the nation
• a stronger military that will threaten civil authority by launching coups and destabilize the government if it does not agree to its policies.

these are things we cannot afford.

[hulagway]

well, there are of course other confidence building measures that does not involve direct cash dole-outs, that is if you are really interested in making peace.

confidence building measures are just mere steps for the entire peace process to restart the ball rolling, with the ultimate aim of resolving the conflict.

we been into peace talk in mindanao for so many years but until now wala gihapon peace diha..
lahi lahi ug pamaagi kada leader mao nga kung unsa ang masugna na dili na ma ipa dayon sa new leader..

if you cannoy control ur men of the groud walay pulos ang peace talk.like what Umbra kato and
commander bravo did..so mag cge lang ta ug balik balik.

the MNLF-GRP peace agreement failed simply because the demands of the Bangsamoro via the MNLF was not fulfilled by the institutionalization of the ARMM, which became a spectacular failure with its warlord politicians dominating the scene, becoming pets to whoever is in power at Manila.

can you blame the Bangsamoro for asking what was not given to them after the peace agreement, and for taking up arms yet again in the form of MILF?
this is the lesson about trying to close a chapter in our history that we still do not fully grasp. you can eliminate/annihilate a group via political or military means, but as long as the reason why they came to be remains, another will ultimately take its place.

from wikepedia;
The signing of this agreement brought about a serious rift in MNLF leadership,
leading to the formation of a breakaway group in 1977 by Hashim Salamat and 57 MNLF officers.

The group was initially known as "The New Leadership". Misuari expelled Salamat in December 1977.

In January 1987, the MNLF accepted the Philippine government's offer of semi-autonomy of the regions in dispute
subsequently leading to the establishment of the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao.
The MILF, however, refused to accept this offer and continued their insurgency operations.

sa akong tanaw gusto ang MILF nga mo lahi sa PILIPINAS mao nga wala sila mi sugot sa aggrement between FVR ang NUR..
mao cguro ni usa sa mga reason ngano ni buwag sila sa MNLF.

and karon sa nahitabo sa MILF nga wala na silay control sa uban nila mga field commander same lang ni sa mahitabo sa MNLF ug MILF.
mao naka ingon ko nga mg balik balik ra ni nga problema..

of course they would. some of them are relatives after all. when shells start exploding, you'd rather stand side by side with people you know.

confidence building measures are just mere steps for the entire peace process to restart the ball rolling, with the ultimate aim of resolving the conflict.

so indeed peace talk is just a waste of time, ngano mg peace talk pa man ta kung mao man lang gani nga maski abu sayyaf labanan man sa MILF o sa mga civilians? asa man ang sincerity ana? can we attain peace if ingani ang situation didto? how can we resolve the conflict?

a military solution will not solve this conflict. again, as i have said in the previous posts, what you are asking for is genocide. waging a war against the MILF will be like waging a war against an entire people. of course the GRP can wipe out the MILF. but at what cost?

• war-torn Mindanao that will need decades and billions to fix, if it still can be fixed.
• thousands of shattered families and useless lands,
• a radicalized Muslim population which can produce hurling bodies suicide-bomber-style at urban centers Manila, Cebu, Davao.
• war-spending the budget that isn't enough at the first place.
• compromised political base for the president as the war will divide the nation
• a stronger military that will threaten civil authority by launching coups and destabilize the government if it does not agree to its policies.

these are things we cannot afford.

mabuhat ni erap ni,ngano dili man mabuhat sa uban? dapat makahibalo ang MILF kinsa ang BOSS,normal lang na nga naa collateral damage sa gubat..pro kung mao lang ni ang pamaagi mga ma peaceful didto mas mayo pa..

kung gusto sila ug peace.i surrender nila ang ilang pusil..dili nila ipamogus ang dili pwde mahatag sa goverment which is INDEPENDENT STATE.

[francisxim]

wala nay peace talks! HUTOD NA UNTA NA SILA TANAN!

[YellowSubmarine]

Wa man gihapon na padulngan ang peace kay di man mahatag sa gobyerno ila gipangayo.

[Sand Man]

...On his Facebook account, Froilan Gallardo, a journalist from Mindanao, posted: "Panawagan lang ni sa mga (Calling all) Mindanao-based journalists who want a sober coverage of this current madness in Mindanao. Can't we make a stand against our colleagues from Manila whose news agenda clearly promotes an environment of war. Puwede kaya tayo mag sign nang petition or something (Can we sign a petition). After all, Mindanao is our home and surely it will be our families and friends who will be affected. Not theirs. They can go back to the comforts of their lives in Manila after covering the war here while we face the sad reality."

How freaking true....

[gareb]

Wa man gihapon na padulngan ang peace kay di man mahatag sa gobyerno ila gipangayo.

though this is somewhat true, i am still hoping for some compromise somewhere.

[balipseyev]

I Agree kay kanang taga luzon wala gyud na sila alamag sa mindanao, pataka lang ug yawyaw... Mura rabag mga korek, nya kasagaran pa gyud na kauban sa peace panel kay taga luzon....

[YellowSubmarine]

though this is somewhat true, i am still hoping for some compromise somewhere.

The government should tell them to surrender first before negotiating for a compromise. If the MILF is really serious about the peace talk and settle for a compromise they should surrender first, but they probably think that having their own "force" can give them a leverage to make demands on the negotiation. So this is very unlikely to happen. This is a dilemma which I think the only real solution is to go to the extreme. Either give them what they want or finish their rebellion by going to war until the last one of them surrenders.

[balipseyev]

The government should tell them to surrender first before negotiating for a compromise. If the MILF is really serious about the peace talk and settle for a compromise they should surrender first, but they probably think that having their own "force" can give them a leverage to make demands on the negotiation. So this is very unlikely to happen. This is a dilemma which I think the only real solution is to go to the extreme. Either give them what they want or finish their rebellion by going to war until the last one of them surrenders.

As what Sri Lanka did to the Tamil Tigers...

[peewee_toot]

Wa man gihapon na padulngan ang peace kay di man mahatag sa gobyerno ila gipangayo.

yeah! sakto jd kaayo. they are asking too much mn sd gd...