MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[balipseyev]

three points:

• what was a military operation doing inside a supposed "area of temporary stay"?
• it has already been announced that the commander responsible was a rogue element of the MILF.
• should the entire peace process with the MILF collapse because of such incident, instead of apprehending the one directly responsible? will we also wage a war against other factions within the MILF that are pushing for peace?

1. The Military are going to serve a warrant to an MILF commander.
2. Thats what they always say kung naay mahitabo ambush, Lost Command/Rouge Commander nasad... Balik2x naman na nga rasun gud.
3. For me a peace talk is the best solution, but some of the provisions are unfair naman...

[Sand Man]

naay video nag circulate sa facebook run, I don't know if ganus-a to nahitabo, I have never seen it before until recently. But it definitely is in Mindanao. It's titled "The Worsht Hostage Killing Part 1" (sic). It shows three hostages, and what appears to be armed Muslim extremists, could be Abu Sayyaf, but I'm not sure. And well, they decapitate the hostages. I'd give the link but I don't know if it will be an issue if I post links of the such. After all, it is extremely graphic. Definitely not for the faint-hearted.

I would advise you not to circulate the link of that video kay mahimo na noon kang instrumento sa propaganda sa mga MILF.

If you know the original uploader personally please tell him/her to delete it para di na ma-circulate ngadto sa laing mga tawo... That's what the enemy wants you to do -- share the video to as many people as you can.

Thanks.

[yacky2006]

Mao sad wala ta kabalo sa side sa Bangsamoro kung toa pata didto basin ka kagot sad atong ngipon.
Kita nia sa pikas side atong nakita bati gyud sila.

Pag grant sa ARMM nag too gyud ang atong mga kaigsuonan muslim nga ma asenso na ilang panginabuhi.
Ang nahitabo gi abusaran man noon sa kapwa muslim ang mga ultimong muslim.

Dayon ang ultimo itawon nangayo ug tabang sa governo wala gyud na tarong ug tagad.
Na angol ug biktima pa noon sa panag-away.

[amingb]

The Lasting Peace in Mindanao has come ....

MILF Final Working Draft on Comprehensive Compact

ihatag na ilaha demand aron mahuman ni tanan .... kaya rana buhaton sa atong goberno .... im sure ug ihatag ni sa Goberno naay blema kay mga demand is unconstitutional ...

para mahuman mag charter change to GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ...

[gareb]

I just want to clarify, what exactly does the MILF want? I understand there is the Ancestral Domain claim but fundamentally, what is it that they want from that claim? A sub-state or a seceded sovereign Islamic state? Can anybody elaborate?

a bullet presentation, i think, would not give justice to it. i would beg some patience from you and suggest you read these articles to get more or less a historical context of the entire movement.

Public Lives: Dealing with the MILF
Public Lives: Commander Robot and Moro identity
Public Lives: The nation and the Abu Sayyaf
Public Lives: Misuari’s failure
Public Lives: Mindanao from Moro eyes

[gareb]

1. The Military are going to serve a warrant to an MILF commander.
2. Thats what they always say kung naay mahitabo ambush, Lost Command/Rouge Commander nasad... Balik2x naman na nga rasun gud.
3. For me a peace talk is the best solution, but some of the provisions are unfair naman...

1.) was this served with the knowledge of the negotiating team, and at the same time the MILF command, to make sure that contingencies such as these will have the MILF command responsible?

the mere fact that the AFP cannot point directly to the MILF command as the one directly responsible for the ambush suggests that the operation was clandestinely done without the knowledge of the negotiating team. hence the inquiries of where the AFP went wrong. it's quite clear as a bell.

2.) true, because this is usually the case. the MILF is a loose organization of rebel commanders with blood relations everywhere. i will not be surprised that an MILF commander might be somehow related to a member of the Abu Sayyaf.

in any event such as what happened, the MILF will automatically disown that commander, to save the prestige and the bargaining position of the organization. the challenge for the GRP in this aspect is to persuade the MILF to police its own ranks, something that might almost be logistically impossible since their troops are scattered all over the place with the AFP lurking everywhere.

3.) this is the reason why there are peace talks, to begin with; to look for common grounds of discussion and settle on a compromise agreement. if you only focus on your interest, then the entire peace process is most definitely unfair. and this is the reason why people would rather go to war.

[æRLO]

I would advise you not to circulate the link of that video kay mahimo na noon kang instrumento sa propaganda sa mga MILF.

If you know the original uploader personally please tell him/her to delete it para di na ma-circulate ngadto sa laing mga tawo... That's what the enemy wants you to do -- share the video to as many people as you can.

Thanks.

That's exactly why I was reserved to post the link, I was just in query whether anybody else stumbled upon that video because it came out in relative span to the incident in Basilan--I do not know the original uploader but I have already flagged the video.

[Sand Man]

That's exactly why I was reserved to post the link, I was just in query whether anybody else stumbled upon that video because it came out in relative span to the incident in Basilan--I do not know the original uploader but I have already flagged the video.

Thanks.

A similar video came out right around the time when our Marines were beheaded last year. Since it was posted in the internet, it spread pretty quickly but good thing our own Filipino soldiers who also frequent forums helped stop the spreading by contacting the uploaders and requesting them to take down the video.

Several copies even reached 2 American military forums but they knew exactly what to do before other members had the chance to view it.

[gareb]

Mao sad wala ta kabalo sa side sa Bangsamoro kung toa pata didto basin ka kagot sad atong ngipon.
Kita nia sa pikas side atong nakita bati gyud sila.

Pag grant sa ARMM nag too gyud ang atong mga kaigsuonan muslim nga ma asenso na ilang panginabuhi.
Ang nahitabo gi abusaran man noon sa kapwa muslim ang mga ultimong muslim.

Dayon ang ultimo itawon nangayo ug tabang sa governo wala gyud na tarong ug tagad.
Na angol ug biktima pa noon sa panag-away.

correct. you could not have said it any better.

the have given peace a chance by accepting ARMM as a compromise, but it did not work as it became a tool for the national government to subjugate the Bangsamoro through warlord politicians. what then was the point of talking peace if the other party not only could not deliver its promises, but tries to legitimize its subjugation that way?

again if GRP is still intent on retaining the entire Mindanao under its fold in the current political and constitutional context, it has to reimagine ARMM into something that the Bangsamoro can accept, free from the influence of the warlords that the GRP treats as pets.

a number of people say it's too late for something of this sort to happen. but we will see the administration's next move.

[PaYaSo]

question: where is MILF leadership in ARMM? is MILF a part of ARMM?