MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[peewee_toot]

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three points:

• what was a military operation doing inside a supposed "area of temporary stay"?
• it has already been announced that the commander responsible was a rogue element of the MILF.
• should the entire peace process with the MILF collapse because of such incident, instead of apprehending the one directly responsible? will we also wage a war against other factions within the MILF that are pushing for peace?

i made a few observations with the current status of the peace negotiations between the MILF and the GRP and its similarities with the PLO/Fatah and Israel. it's on page 14 of this thread. kindly check it out.

given that the the AFP did these 3 things, are they bound to death? i mean, do they really deserve to be killed like that?

[peewee_toot]

ahaka jud aning GMA oi. hahaha. imo na ang tanang sala.

sus! hugas kamay na pud ang maayo nga noy2x. dili na lang jud mo angkon. mo samot na nuon cyag ka kataw-anan.

pikat nimo!

[gareb]

given that the the AFP did these 3 things, are they bound to death? i mean, do they really deserve to be killed like that?

nope. most definitely not. no lives should be lost anymore. and this is why the peace process should continue.

if we launch an all out war against the MILF, not only will the Mindanao problem will not be solved, it will get worse, and we add another set of problems on top of it.

[KlaytoN]

for the 1st time nagka sense ka.!

kadakong TAMA...so there's no need for peace talk.. thier as$%^&!

Noynoy should turn those rebel muslims into pieces if He want to unite us all!
Real Muslim dont kill Christians..We are all pinoys.. no need of separation by religion...separation by federal state is ok but all for one nation!

Haay noynoy... bag-o pa gani.. musunod man sa mama... na napuno ug kudeta ang term!

OT: Pasensya na if i'm not sensible in your point of view. Sorry jud kaayo sir, pasayloa lang ko kay wa man gud ko nakahuman iskwela ug ang akong mga parents mga uneducated. That's why all of my previous 500+ posts doesn't make any sense to you and maybe to the entire istorya forum. Bag-o pa man gud ko diri and i'm still trying to cope up with the level of intelligence like what you have..

Maypa ka sir you really make a lot of sense! Siguro if somebody reviews all of your 270+ posts, they will truly say that you have the most sensible and intelligent comment here in istorya..

[KlaytoN]

There are other (safer) ways to show our gesture of sincerity and confidence building measures with the MILF, nganong kwarta man ang gihatag? Hayzz kanimo AbNoy, ilang beses ka nang pinagsabihan ni lolo Erap na wag magtiwala sa mga traydor!

Matud pa ni Marvic Leonen (he/she) handed the check to the MILF. And it will be used kuno for the Bangsamoro Management training churva..

What would keep them from using those funds in training their forces to manufacture bombs, rockets, and guerilla warfare against the republic?

[moz_k2]

update lang
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/83617/a...boanga-sibugay

[taga_ipil]

matay katong didto pako nagdako sa una murag kada-gabii man naa engkwentro ug normal ra sa amoa nyahahaha...experience pa man gani ko ug Masaker (Ipil Massacre 1995 Tuesday 12.30PM) karun kay 11years naku nagpuyo diri sugbo, 8 years wala ka uli, murag makuyawan naman ko mo uli hinoon... lol

kanang lugar sa Tenan, katong g-ambush ang mga sundalo cge man gani ko ug agi diha bisan gabii na kaayo pero wa juy kulba, kaligis pako ug iro diha hahaha... Muslim area jud nang mga lugara padung na sa kabasalan daghan jud na diha.

padung na raba asenso among lungsod (Ipil Zamboanga Sibugay(Province) former Ipil Zamboanga Del Sur), maguba lang tungod ani nga panghitabo nga normal raman unta na sa una.

[amingb]

of course they wont accept it. if you have suffered through ineffective and lip service autonomy for the past few decades, knowing that this government is hard to go through basic reforms, but easy to grandstand and annihilate entire peoples and their grievances through war, who would want it?

the challenge is sincerity with proposed alternatives to a sub-state. can noynoy or any other administration give it, are they willing to give it, that would be the big question.

this is why from the very beginning, as i have mentioned, the issue of peace talks is very sensitive and nuanced. you should know the position of your counterpart and you have to impress that fact to them, as well as the fact that you have a position about matters, and your counterpart should know where you are coming from as well.

Lip service ra diay tong sa previous admin karon kay Leonen ug Deles kay amateurist ... hehehee .. ilisan lang na si leonen ug deles ...

I Salute your sir for being a Peace Advocate but if the Moro fundamental aspiration for self-determination and the Philippine government’s right to national sovereignty and territorial integrity then any roadmap to peace is impossible we might as go to war with the MILF as the last resort .....

[gareb]

Lip service ra diay tong sa previous admin karon kay Leonen ug Deles kay amateurist ... hehehee .. ilisan lang na si leonen ug deles ...

I Salute your sir for being a Peace Advocate but if the Moro fundamental aspiration for self-determination and the Philippine government’s right to national sovereignty and territorial integrity then any roadmap to peace is impossible we might as go to war with the MILF as the last resort .....

yes, it was lip service and a spectacular failure. the Bangsamoro nation has been fighting for recognition of their rights for decades now, only to be granted by an ineffective and corrupt ARMM. it is but safe to assume that according to logical progression and reason, they will bear arms yet again and ask for full sovereignty from GRP.

what we always fail to grasp is that there are two distinct nations within the Philippines; the Bangsamoro of the south, and the Filipinos occupying the rest of the country. we come from the same Malay stock, but even if you disregard religion, our development as a people is glaringly different from theirs.

when one begins to accept that fact, one begins to understand the aspirations of the Bangsamoro, and one begins to differentiate certain elements that led to the chaos that is now Mindanao. when you see these elements, you will then be made aware that if you resort to war as a solution, this will not be any different from prescribing genocide to a people who wants independence.

[æRLO]

I just want to clarify, what exactly does the MILF want? I understand there is the Ancestral Domain claim but fundamentally, what is it that they want from that claim? A sub-state or a seceded sovereign Islamic state? Can anybody elaborate?