MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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You make a claim, you should back it up. Even someone with half a brain can understand that. But since you can't figure it out, I guess you don't even have that much.

LOLZ ... saying VIGILANTES existed to fight CRIME is a CLAIM ? Thats a FACT mannyboy .... dont be too hard for yourself , give yourself a break accept FACTS . Remember your suking superheroes ??

So prove it. Show me who are the vigilantes, who their victims are, when and where it took place. Oh, but then then you DON'T know who's killing whom, right? You're just assuming that the vigilantes kill only criminals, but you have ZERO proof of that. That's an idiotic way of doing things. I don't make any such assumptions. It doesn't matter to me who is doing the killing because ALL these killings are wrong. I don't have to justify any of them. But since you claim the vigilantes are doing good, you have to prove the vigilantes are really killing only the so-called "chronic criminals". And you have FAILED to do so. Miserably too.

I never failed in way how I relayed ideas to you . You ASSUMED because anything that crosses your path is WRONG because mannyboy is always RIGHT . Remember when I said are we on the same page ? You keep on blabbing on that " vigilante style victim in brgy Caretta " . We are talking about VIGILANTES and not one , two or three operatives or agents .

Then I asked you to answer or to spoonfeed you for the NTH time , copy and paste the question and mark the answer . To remind you again with that , dont answer it with a TRUE or FALSE . COnclusion ? What does nearly all if not all of the VIGILANTE STYLE VICTIMS have in common ?

You just contradicted yourself again! This seems to be a habit of yours. Perhaps you should seek professional help.

LOLZ ... that is only according to you . Ulyanin ka na MANNYBOY .... eat your vegetables right .

So provide the evidence.

I can easily ask you also the same question . Provide evidence that the VIGILANTE killed those BYSTANDERS according to the media . You didnt even asked your media friends yet and here you are so high and almighty . Dont be shy .... they are your friends afterall .

None? I thought so. Brainless form of argument.

LOLZ .... refer to the post above . If its too hard for you then I will spoonfeed you again , why did I used the word CHRONIC to associate the issues of the victims in my argument ?

A criminal record is for a PAST crime. That does not make a person a wanted criminal NOW. And don't forget the innocent bystanders (three of them females) who were injured and the tombstone maker who had no criminal record at all.

How did you know that the victims are considered GOOD CHRISTIANS and HONEST CITIZENS now ?? How did you know that eventhough it was specified that a victim whom is a tombmaker by trade is not a " SALOT " of the society ?? Wealthy people even commit crimes to make ends meet , how much more on a TOMBMAKER ?? There is a fineline between the words CHRONIC/CAREER CRIMINALS and EX-CONVICTS and I dont think there is a need for me to spoonfeed you again .


BTW ... good job on your article ... but isnt it funny to post something that you agree with but at the same time is bias on opinions because they are the very ones INVOLVED !! If they only did what they are supposed to do and live with their MISSION STATEMENT of to PROTECT and SERVE lolz .... DEATH RIDER in a SKYGO need not to be commissioned .

[naz]

"A vigilante is someone who takes enforcement of law or moral code into his own hands."
"Vigilantism has existed in some form for as long as there have been societies with weak law enforcement."
therefore vigilantes will not exist if we have strong law enforcer. :mrgreen:
but the reality is that our law enforcer ain't that strong.

[mannyamador]

LOLZ ... saying VIGILANTES existed to fight CRIME is a CLAIM ? Thats a FACT mannyboy.

Prove it then. Name the vigilantes and their exact victims. Oh, but since you don't know who's killing whom... Gets mo? No? Cranial capacity exceeded!

Another contradiction on your part. This consistent display of irrational behavior is a sign that you need professional help.

I can easily ask you also the same question . Provide evidence that the VIGILANTE killed those BYSTANDERS according to the media.

Unlike you, I am not claiming that any one specific group harmed the bystanders. So I don't need to provide such proof. I am against ALL the killings, no matter who did them. You, on the other hand, are making a specific claim: that the vigilantes (who you can't even identify) kill only chronic criminals. So the burden of proof is on YOU.

If you have half a brain you will understand that simple, logical requirement. But I guess that's still too much to expect from you!

[mannyamador]

Perhaps this excerpt will help to explain the bloodthirsty, "kill them all" mindset typical of Springoid and other excessively exuberant supporters of the MURDERERS they like to call vigilantes.

• THE SPIRIT OF VENGEANCE: Excerpts from The Crime of Punishment by Karl Menninger, Viking Press, 1969.
  http://www.nospank.net/mngr.htm
  
  In our book, Love Against Hate, my wife and I tried to suggest how this vicious circle of vengeance evokes vengeance, and evoked vengeance tends to be perpetuated not only in and out of the courtroom and jails but within the family. Clinical experience has indicated that where a child has been exposed early in his live to episodes of physical violence, whether he himself is the victim or ... the witness, he will often later demonstrate similar outbursts of uncontrollable rage and violence of his own. Aggression becomes an easy outlet through which the child's frustrations and tensions flow, not just because of a simple matter of learning that can be just as simply unlearned, not just because he is imitating a bad behavior model and can be taught to imitate something more constructive, but because these traumatic experiences have overwhelmed him. His own emotional development is too immature to withstand the crippling inner effects of outer violence. Something happens to the child's character, to his sense of reality, to the development of his controls against impulses that may not later be changed easily but which may lead to reactions that in turn provoke more reactions - one or more of which may be "criminal." Then society reacts against him for what he did, but more for what all of us have done - unpleasantly - to one another. Upon him is laid the iniquity of us all...
  
  The whole question of reading the nature of the malignant (or otherwise) intent in the offender's mind is one which the public is loath to refer to psychiatrists. [P]sychiatrists .... have even greater doubts about the ability of anyone to determine accurately anyone's intent. If the criminal lacks a special self evident excuse, a King's X of some kind, the vengeance of the people will often rise like a windstorm and sweep away all humanity, intelligence, Christianity, and common sense.
  
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  Before we can diminish our sufferings from the ill-controlled aggressive assaults of fellow citizens, we must renounce the philosophy of punishment, the obsolete, vengeful penal attitude. In its place we would seek a comprehensive, constructive social attitude - therapeutic in some instances, restraining in some instances, but preventive in its total social impact.
  
  In the last analysis this becomes a question of personal morals and values. No matter how glorified or how piously disguised, vengeance as a human motive must be personally repudiated by each and every one of us. This is the message of old religions and new psychiatries. Unless this message is heard, unless we ... can give up our delicious satisfactions in opportunities for vengeful retaliation on scapegoats, we cannot expect to preserve our peace, our public safety, or our mental health.
  
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  But the punitive attitude persists. And just so long as the spirit of vengeance has the slightest vestige of respectability, so long as it pervades the public mind and infuses its evil upon the statute books of the law, we will make no headway toward the control of crime. We cannot assess the most appropriate and effective penalties so long as we seek to inflict retaliatory pain.

Have you found a shrink yet, Springoid?

[Ms.Beau]

I enjoyed reading the excerpt. My personal values and philosophy incline towards the stuff mentioned there.

But I just find the tag really funny (--> Have you found a shrink yet, Springoid? ). Looks to me like it was written with a vengeful attitude...how ironic hehehe

[mannyamador]

But I just find the tag really funny (--> Have you found a shrink yet, Springoid? ). Looks to me like it was written with a vengeful attitude...how ironic hehehe

Yes, it is humorous. Seriously, however, it was written as a somewhat strong prod to get that very immature user to review his personal vendetta against me and maybe even seek professional help to address his bloodthirsty, almost criminally violent inclinations. His posts have been getting very irrational and he seems to be coming apart lately. I don't know if my attempt will be successful, but other reasonable attempts have failed thus far. In any case, this won't kill him. Thanks!!!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Prove it then. Name the vigilantes and their exact victims. Oh, but since you don't know who's killing whom... Gets mo? No? Cranial capacity exceeded!

LOLZ .... how many times do I have to ask you " ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE ?? " . DO I have to spoonfeed you again ...oh well why not ,its fun spoonfeeding MANNYBOY, remember your suking superheroes ? Since when BATMAN beat the crap out of SUPERMAN ? We sound like " SIRANG PLAKA " and if you dont want to help yourself , nobody can and we'll be beating the bush all day and all night . Gamitin ang utak MANNY ... masasayang lang iyan .

Another contradiction on your part. This consistent display of irrational behavior is a sign that you need professional help.

LOLZ .... before we go to thast issue , answer my questions and dont keep it to yourself .... come out ... huwag mahiya MANNYBOY .

Unlike you, I am not claiming that any one specific group harmed the bystanders. So I don't need to provide such proof. I am against ALL the killings, no matter who did them. You, on the other hand, are making a specific claim: that the vigilantes (who you can't even identify) kill only chronic criminals. So the burden of proof is on YOU.

How did that happened when I never claimed either ? I did support the VIGILANTES but I never said that the VIGILANTES in Cebu killed only the MANNYBOY'S chronic criminals and the innocent bystanders are from someone else . I am talking about VIGILANTES in general and how they affect the lives of the majority of the people who are hardworking and living SQUARE and FAIR .

Now I said .... the VIGILANTES in Cebu are helping Cebu to be a safer place to live . You keep on pushing that I knew them personally and their favorite colors thats why I asked you also regarding the CHRONIC CRIMINAL VICTIMS . You seem to know them also personally because you are implying that the VIGILANTEE'S killed them to include the INNOCENT bystanders .... what do they have in common MANNYBOY ??

If you have half a brain you will understand that simple, logical requirement. But I guess that's still too much to expect from you!

Oh please .... why dont we go back to the MEDIA FRIENDS , TAX REFUNDS , DEATHRIDER and SKYGO , COPY and PASTING BIAS ARTICLES , QUESTION and ANSWER portion , etc ... it makes more sense though offtopic compraed to your " PAULIT ULIT " reasoning . As what I keep on reminding on your ulyaning mentality , dont ask questions when you know the answer already .

Again .. when posting COPY and PASTED ARTICLES ... make it something that speaks for everyone and not for himself or herself na may pinagmanahan kay DEATHRIDER because that is where the HUMOROUS part that makes me say " Is that all you got ? I know you are better than that. "

MANNYBOY .... help yourself first before you help other people lolz .... we'll just put it that way . Someone already said about your VENGEFUL ATTITUDE ... not on me . Hahahahahaha ..... har ? har ? har ? har ? LMFAO !!

[mannyamador]

LOLZ .... how many times do I have ask you the question of " ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE ?? "

In other words, YOU CAN'T PROVE YOUR SILLY CLAIMS. I thought so.

I am talking about VIGILANTES in general and how they affect the lives of the majority of the people who are hardworking and living SQUARE and FAIR .

Uh, we don't have "theoretical vigilantes" in Cebu, silly. We have real people being killed by real bullets fired by real murderers. Therefore if you claim the vigilantes are doing some good, you have to prove the claim by showing real evidence. And you have failed to do so. Miserably and repeatedly.

You really have to try thinking. You will look less idiotic if you do. Don't follow the deceptive historical examples of your masonic masters

And while you're at it, look for a shrink to help you out with your bloodthirsty and sadistic tendencies.

[fingolfin]

..manny, you still haven't answered my question HERE

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

In other words, YOU CAN'T PROVE YOUR SILLY CLAIMS. I thought so.

hehehe .... can you first post what I claimed ? That way we'll be in the same page .

Uh, we don't have "theoretical vigilantes" in Cebu, silly. We have real people being killed by real bullets fired by real murderers. Therefore if you claim the vigilantes are doing some good, you have to prove the claim by showing real evidence. And you have failed to do so. Miserably and repeatedly.

YES .. repeatedly asked you what are the REAL PEOPLE who got KILLED have in common .

You really have to try thinking. You will look less idiotic if you do. Don't follow the deceptive examplesof your masonic masters

Uh uh ... someone here is really mad and piss off about things he can only dream of tsk tsk tsk .... ive been thinking of you MANNYBOY even before I go to sleep how you look like parading in COlon in your SKYGO with your bandana and ala Hells ANgels leather jacket .

And while you're at it, look for a shrink to help you out with your bloodthirsty and sadistic tendencies.

No need for it MANNYBOY .... my brilliant mind is being utilized to explain and lay down the cards . Not for COPY and PASTING and beating the bush . We'll just stay here in the forums and have fun .... on your expense this time .

Good night MANNYBOY .... see yah manana