MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[KlaytoN]

Di tawon na tinuod oi! ayaw sad tawon pataka. Tuo ko nimo if makahatag ka nako ug usa ka Muslim country nga mi-invade ug laing country. Unya maka-prove ka nga kanang mga Muslim sa Mindanao mahilig gyud ug gubat. Kanang gubata sa Mindanao panahon pa na sa mga katsila, americano hangtod karon, so duna na lawom nga hinungdan. Balik sa imong history dong para makakuha ka ug idea ngano.

I'm not sure if Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait counts.. remind lang ta ka kay basin nakalimot na ka..

Kanang problema sa Mindanao complicated kaayo na. Ancestral domain is only a small part of the bigger picture. Kanang mga Moro na mu claim sila that they are neglected by the government is a big lie, its a big excuse.. Consider nimo ang interplay sa politics, corruption, and warlord mentality.

[elvandesantos]

TS if you mind. refrain from using mindanao. instead used the exact location lng sa mindanao... mindanao is a whole lot bigger than cebu.. and not all of mindanao is gubot.

[KlaytoN]

And the vicious cycle continues:

Skirmishes--->Ceasefire--->Peace Talks--->Skirmishes--->...

An endless cycle of violence.. Endless casualties on both sides.. The ultimate victim are the people of Mindanao.. Political leaders on both sides don't want to end the war. Where there is war, there is money and oppression. A culture of violence and fear is the best breeding ground of corruption..

We tried Peace Talks for almost 4 decades and it achieved NOTHING.

I support an all out war that was started by Bigote but discontinued by Pandak..

[balipseyev]

Na ang klaro sunod ani kay amoa sa Cotabato ug Sultan Kudarat, apil sad lanao...

Daghan2x gyud raba ko mga suod na amigo diha Zamboanga Sibugay.... Hope they're safe...

[trublu]

Palihug close ani nga thread.wa tay mahimo ani karaang problema ni sa atong gobyerno.gira paghuman pahuway pila ka tuig balik gihapon gira.kas2x rani ug oras maypa mangaon ta humba parisan softdrinks busog pata.mag lalis pa atong fellow storyans mag-isig hambogay man ug rason kanang dili palupig ba answer sa fellow istoryans.

[balipseyev]

good luck sa atong tanan kung ang solusyon "all-out-war"... d jud mahuman ning gubuta, balsanay ra jud ni hangtud ang tibuok pilipinas malunod sa ka gubot...

god be with us all...

Kung imu pangutan-un mga tao sa Mindanao, they would prefer all-out-war, arun mahuman na, kana gyung tiwason na gyera arun makapanginabuhi nami ug hapsay...

Kay lisod man gud ng naay peace talk ug ceasefire kay taga gabii inig tulog maghunahuna kanus-a sunod mag atake...

[trublu]

pull out mo dra tanan talawan sa Zamboanga Sibugay ari mo cebu puyo pangapply mo call center nga trabaho wa moy mahimo dra mindanao dili mo ka kaon ug baboy.kanang mga isog pabilin lang mo dra pag patay mo dra dugay na kaayo ning problemaha murag naanad na mga tawo.ang di gusto samok anhi mo ug cebu!

[gareb]

And the vicious cycle continues:

An endless cycle of violence.. Endless casualties on both sides.. The ultimate victim are the people of Mindanao.. Political leaders on both sides don't want to end the war. Where there is war, there is money and oppression. A culture of violence and fear is the best breeding ground of corruption..

this is true. however if we *again* reignite an all-out war, as you are suggesting it would be the same as if we are saying that we support the culture of violence and fear.

you have laid the perfect reasons why there should be genuine peace talks to begin with. but advocating for an all-out war would simply continue the vicious cycle that you have expressedly pointed out.

and that would be one big shame.

Palihug close ani nga thread.wa tay mahimo ani karaang problema ni sa atong gobyerno.gira paghuman pahuway pila ka tuig balik gihapon gira.kas2x rani ug oras maypa mangaon ta humba parisan softdrinks busog pata.mag lalis pa atong fellow storyans mag-isig hambogay man ug rason kanang dili palupig ba answer sa fellow istoryans.

on the contrary, this can become an avenue to explore options and solutions, and share insights about such problems. this is precisely why it's called a "forum" to begin with.

i will leave you a quote from Martin Niemöller

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[JcBoY]

I'm not sure if Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait counts.. remind lang ta ka kay basin nakalimot na ka..
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OT: It does not count bai if we based that in history and it can be considered as Saddam's lost cause. Mao nay duha ka case sa Western Colonization bai, ang Mindanao bisan wala ma-colonize sa mga Katsila gi-apil nila ug baligya ngadto sa mga Amerikano while ang kuwait gibu-ak sa mga British gikan sa greater mesopotamiam kingdom which now known as Iraq. Now ang mga kuwaitis mismo mi-approved nga ma-separate sila sa Iraq under the British Protectorate unlike sa Mindanao nga gipugos ug integrate sa greater colonized Philippines bisan pa mismo ang mga natives sa Mindanao mibuhis sa ilang mga kinabuhi aron lamang dili sila ma-apil sa colonization ug bisan pa kung si King Humabon, Shiekh Atuuna ug si Rajah Soliman nabuntog sa mga banyagang mga Katsila, Mindanao is the Last Frontier of the Muslims kaso lang they were tricked and victimized sa Divide and Conquer method sa mga Katsila. Look at Sabah, duna bai nahimo ang Philippine government nga mismo ang mga tawo sa Sabah midumili man nga ibalik sila under the Philippine government. Lawom kaayo nang problema sa Mindanao bai mao na ako I advocate for Peace Talk, lami kaayo na hunahunaon ang all out war sa wala pa kasuway. In broader sense naa pud nay positive outcome ang nahitabo sa Mindanao kay karon ang mga Muslim mikatag na man nuon sa tibuok Pilipinas and that invalidate the claims nga war loving ang mga Muslims kay daghan kaayo kang makita nga maayong mga Muslims.

[WengIA]

nag gubat diay ang mindanao? wa lagi ko kadungog og gubat diri, naa man unta ko sa mindanao lami man nuon kaayo akong tulog diri....aihihih