Characteristics of a True Christian? (Born Again Christian)

[tokidoki_v2.0]

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here's another question for BAs. Ngano bawal man mo mo atubang ug laing BA pastor sa laing BA na simbahan?

Don't tell me this isn't true. I haven't met one BA say he can look for a new pastor in another area if they relocate (with the exception if the pastor is of the same "congregation" ba na).

So if sa una taga minglanilla ka nya nagrelocate ka sa bantayan, kada domingo adto gyud ka sa minglanilla mo simba maskin naai BA church diha tapad sa imong balay sa bantayan.

ang common answer was: "di daw sila ganahan ma polluted ang teaching sa usa ka pastor"

wth? so dili diay consistent inyo teachings?

[yanong_banikanhon]

ang common answer was: "di daw sila ganahan ma polluted ang teaching sa usa ka pastor"

wth? so dili diay consistent inyo teachings?

It just reaffirmed the fact nga dili tinuod kanang giingon sa mga born-again nga bisan kinsa nga mag-pray sa holy spirit automatic nga ang holy spirit ang mo-guide sa iya pag-interpret sa bible. Kay kun tinuod pa na, dapat consistent unta ang teachings sa mga pastors kay usa ra man ang ilang guide - ang holy spirit ra man. So dili unta mo-matter kun magbalhin2x og pastor.

Mura'g marketing ning styla da. Ubay2x ra ba pud ang nagtuo (o nailad ba kaha) ani.

[yanong_banikanhon]

^^ this goes in line with another question i once asked a BA. If a serial killer where to convert to BA before his execution would that bring him to heaven. Their answer was "yes". I find that very disturbing.

I've asked a similar question to a pastor before. Ang akong pangutana mao ni: Kun ang usa ka priso nidawat ni Jesus unya nagbasol sa iyang mga previous sins, 100% na bang maluwas siya. Ang tubag sa pastor is: YES.

Then ako pud siyang gipangutana: What if the next day, nakapatay siya og laing priso, maluwas ba gihapon siya. Ang tubag sa pastor: My son, once you are saved, you are forever saved.

Very disturbing, indeed.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

It just reaffirmed the fact nga dili tinuod kanang giingon sa mga born-again nga bisan kinsa nga mag-pray sa holy spirit automatic nga ang holy spirit ang mo-guide sa iya pag-interpret sa bible. Kay kun tinuod pa na, dapat consistent unta ang teachings sa mga pastors kay usa ra man ang ilang guide - ang holy spirit ra man. So dili unta mo-matter kun magbalhin2x og pastor.

Mura'g marketing ning styla da. Ubay2x ra ba pud ang nagtuo (o nailad ba kaha) ani.

i take comfort in the thought that muslims have a consistent method of teaching their followers. however, there are still fanatics in their midst.

[ketllac]

Pwede man daw ma-born again ug maluwas ang Katoliko, provided:

1. Dili na mangumpisal
2. Dili na mokalawat
3. Tangtangon mga sacred images sa balay

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99999. Dili na manguros.. etc.. etc..

yaw sad kalimti bro dayon singit "praise the lord"

[KlaytoN]

^^ this answers only part of my concern. what about the part where if someone outside your church brings it up you defend them to the death even if there vices are out there in the open?

kapila na na nako gi secreto ug bring up sa mga religious leaders ninyo pero they choose to turn a blind eye to it. ang tubag niya "si christo lang bahala". yet, said members continue to be in their gatherings and no changes in behavior.

I call that as HYPOCRISY to the highest level. Kana bro imo nakita miyembro lang, ang akong nakita mga anak sa pastor or mga pastor mismo. AND WE CAN OBSERVE THAT IN ALL RELIGIONS, WALAY EXEMPTED.
That's one of the reason why i renounced religion.

[KlaytoN]

Siguro tungod kay dili na man kinahanglan usbon ang behavior, bro. Kay na-born again na man lagi 'kuno' sila, so automatic mga 'living saints' na sila.

100% assurance of salvation - I guess mao ning doctrinaha ang hinungdan nganong 'lukewarm' ang ilang pagtagad sa mga member nga sa ilang tan-aw dili na nila mapuslan (sama adtong member nga gihisgutan ni TS). Human naman gud sila na-born again, so saved na gyud sila. Dili na relevant kun motabang sa isigkatawo o dili because even bad acts/vices cannot undo their individual salvation. Once saved, forever saved. Mao na ilang motto.

Imo nang opinion and you are entitled to that. Kapila na ka gi ingnan that the doctrine of eternal security is not part of the universal tenet of the born again movement. Gamay ra kaayo nga percentage ug pipila lang ka denomination ang nagtudlo niana.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

I call that as HYPOCRISY to the highest level. Kana bro imo nakita miyembro lang, ang akong nakita mga anak sa pastor or mga pastor mismo. AND WE CAN OBSERVE THAT IN ALL RELIGIONS, WALAY EXEMPTED.
That's one of the reason why i renounced religion.

right, based on your doctrine you guys are NOT a religion, correct? and, yes, i have read your pamphlets about how you guys love to shun religion.

i find that hypcritical as well. you as a group actually fall in the same description as a religion. any person you ask who has ever heard the word "born again christian" will automatically assume you guys are a religion. this is not because of stereotype but you fall in the same description of a religion.

the only person who would say your are not a religion are your members themselves. and this is not because they believe so but because you have been told so. i don't see how being "told" about the nature of your group is any different from catholics who are also "told" what their group is.

i sincerely believe by calling yourselves a "non-religion" you are just deliberately excluding yourself from everyone else - a non-conformist so to speak. in concept that may work in the eyes of the world it doesn't.

[KlaytoN]

^^ this goes in line with another question i once asked a BA. If a serial killer where to convert to BA before his execution would that bring him to heaven. Their answer was "yes". I find that very disturbing.

You don't need to quote the word "born again" aron dili mahatagan ug lain na interpretasyon. We will rephrase it:

"If a serial killer confesses his sins, repents towards God, and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior before his execution. Will he be saved and go to heaven?"

Answer: If all of the variables are true, then by all means it's a YES. We're not the judge kay si God raman but at least we have the assurance through His word. One of the examples that christians should remember is the story of the thief on the cross.

Christians should not be disturbed by that. Your God is a competent judge.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

You don't need to quote the word "born again" aron dili mahatagan ug lain na interpretasyon. We will rephrase it:

"If a serial killer confesses his sins, repents towards God, and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior before his execution. Will he be saved and go to heaven?"

Answer: If all of the variables are true, then by all means it's a YES. We're not the judge kay si God raman but at least we have the assurance through His word. One of the examples that christians should remember is the story of the thief on the cross.

Christians should not be disturbed by that. Your God is a competent judge.

so naa diay gihapon chance mo adto ug impyerno ang criminal inig atubang niya ni lord? then why would you say he is saved in the first place? wouldn't that be giving false hope? (but then again, all religions give false hope)