Do u believe in dracula is it real or a fiction?

[fingolfin]

.. and there's none to disprove of their existence either. Dragons and vampires are two very different "myths" if you want to call it that way. But these two have one thing in common, they are present in all cultures, be it Asian or European. Just like vampires, we have our very own "onggo" , stories about them are plenty but have they already been proved or disproved ?? NO.

Furthermore, it doesn't mean that since there are cults regarding something, it has to exist. There are no concrete evidence of vampires that would confirm that they are real.

... and that line of yours' , one can also compare vampires to God, there are many religions out there but is there concrete evidence of God ??

[wilner]

hey got another question y do vampires die with silver bullets?....

[NIKE]

I thinks you're refering to werewolves..

[IceInHeLL]

fingolfin: .. and there's none to disprove of their existence either. Dragons and vampires are two very different "myths" if you want to call it that way. But these two have one thing in common, they are present in all cultures, be it Asian or European. Just like vampires, we have our very own "onggo" , stories about them are plenty but have they already been proved or disproved ?? NO.

Ice: Then you should consider the history as to where and when it started. The Filipino version of "Aswang" (made into an American independent movie) is different from the european version of vampires. The history of vampires (as it is popularly known) started out in Europe. The folklore, as it is considered even today, was magnified into a worldwide phenomenon by stories of merchants (who traveled in Eastern Europe such as Transylvania) and Bram Stoker's novel. Upon hearing these, my theory is, since the tele didn't exist before, people find amusement through story-telling. Thus the folklore or the myth of the vampires became widespread.

There are various stories or legends or folklore creatures that doesn't have proof of existence as well as proof that they don't exist (significantly in Filipino folklore such as sigbin, agta, wakwak, tikbalang, tiyanak, etc). Does your logic will tell you that these things exist too?

fingolfin: ... and that line of yours' , one can also compare vampires to God, there are many religions out there but is there concrete evidence of God ??

Ice: It depends on how you see things. I believe in God based on the evidences that I see everyday. The legends of vampires and the existence of a God is totally different.

[fingolfin]

Ice: It depends on how you see things. I believe in God based on the evidences that I see everyday. The legends of vampires and the existence of a God is totally different.

.. it's simple really. If you believe in intangible things such as God then believing in these things would be easy. Vampires and God are the same in the sense that they haven't been disproved or proved. God is the good side of it while vampires is the evil aspect.


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The history of vampires (as it is popularly known) started out in Europe. The folklore, as it is considered even today, was magnified into a worldwide phenomenon by stories of merchants (who traveled in Eastern Europe such as Transylvania) and Bram Stoker's novel. Upon hearing these, my theory is, since the tele didn't exist before, people find amusement through story-telling. Thus the folklore or the myth of the vampires became widespread.

.. ha ?? Are you saying the blame should be placed on Bram alone ? Is that the history you are talking about?? Well, your history is outright wrong. The legends of vampires precedes that of Bram's novel, fact is, he gain his inspriration from Transylvanian folklore. The legend of vampires and ghouls is already present in all cultures, there's no need for it to be "widespread".


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Then you should consider the history as to where and when it started. The Filipino version of "Aswang" (made into an American independent movie) is different from the european version of vampires.

.. are you taking things literally here?? I'm talking about Aswang the FOLKLORE and LEGEND.. and here you are talking to me about a movie and tagging the word "history. Have you really understood what i'm talking about here ?? Or to be specific, do you know anything about Aswangs and philippine ghouls besides that of movies??

[IceInHeLL]

fingolfin:

Mind you, God and vampires are not at the same thread. There are evidences of the existence of God thus it makes it different from your argument with regard to the existence of vampires. i just find it childish that people will actually believe something just because they don't have proof that it doesn't exist. That is too illogical. And you are comparing it to the existence of God? It is blasphemous in nature.

Did I say that I blame Bram Stoker alone? I said, and let me say it again, the folklore, as it is considered even today, was magnified into a worldwide phenomenon by stories of merchants (who traveled in Eastern Europe such as Transylvania) and Bram Stoker's novel. Upon hearing these, my theory is, since the tele didn't exist before, people find amusement through story-telling. Thus the folklore or the myth of the vampires became widespread.

It is true that vampires exist in different cultures, or more accurately, similar folklore occurs in other culture. I said similar but it doesn't mean the same. People tend to call them vampires because of the similarity in the folklore found in those of Transylvania or East Europe. But it doesn't mean that they are the same. Other cultures have different beings but they tend to associate it to vampires because it is a more popular word.

Once again, these stories existed when the tele and other forms of entertainment still doesn't exist. People have story telling as the form of entertainment. Thus various legends and myth existed. Meaning, products of imagination. It is illogical that since you can't find proof that they don't exist they must existed. I posted various folklore or mythical creatures. Do you believe in them too? How about the Gods of Olympus? You also believe in them? Medusa? Cerberus? Scylla? Caribdis? How about Zuma? The legend of blusang itim? Or should we go modern? How about gremlins? They are quite similar to other creatures from other cultures too. They also existed? How about a school in England teaching elvish language based from Tolkien's novel? Legolas is also for real? There is no proof that he didn't exist. I could name hundreds of creatures and legends here. The point is, your argument that they must have existed because there is no proof that they don't exist is so lame.

[fingolfin]

fingolfin:

Mind you, God and vampires are not at the same thread. There are evidences of the existence of God thus it makes it different from your argument with regard to the existence of vampires. i just find it childish that people will actually believe something just because they don't have proof that it doesn't exist. That is too illogical. And you are comparing it to the existence of God? It is blasphemous in nature.

Did I say that I blame Bram Stoker alone? I said, and let me say it again, the folklore, as it is considered even today, was magnified into a worldwide phenomenon by stories of merchants (who traveled in Eastern Europe such as Transylvania) and Bram Stoker's novel. Upon hearing these, my theory is, since the tele didn't exist before, people find amusement through story-telling. Thus the folklore or the myth of the vampires became widespread.

It is true that vampires exist in different cultures, or more accurately, similar folklore occurs in other culture. I said similar but it doesn't mean the same. People tend to call them vampires because of the similarity in the folklore found in those of Transylvania or East Europe. But it doesn't mean that they are the same. Other cultures have different beings but they tend to associate it to vampires because it is a more popular word.

Once again, these stories existed when the tele and other forms of entertainment still doesn't exist. People have story telling as the form of entertainment. Thus various legends and myth existed. Meaning, products of imagination. It is illogical that since you can't find proof that they don't exist they must existed. I posted various folklore or mythical creatures. Do you believe in them too? How about the Gods of Olympus? You also believe in them? Medusa? Cerberus? Scylla? Caribdis? How about Zuma? The legend of blusang itim? Or should we go modern? How about gremlins? They are quite similar to other creatures from other cultures too. They also existed? How about a school in England teaching elvish language based from Tolkien's novel? Legolas is also for real? There is no proof that he didn't exist. I could name hundreds of creatures and legends here. The point is, your argument that they must have existed because there is no proof that they don't exist is so lame.

... can you give me one proof of the existence of God?? The bible?? God sprouted from man's own imagination. Man made God to give Man assurance of a "home" after death. But then again, God is also part of ancient STORY-TELLING. But the subject of God is divine that's why people immedietly dismiss arguements about God or should i say because of it's divine nature the " story " of God was easily accepted. Zeus and Odin ?? What do they have in common ?? They both predate Jesus Christ and what about Ra, the ancient Sun God of Egypt ?? Are they false Gods ?? Why do people deny them ?? Cause of their VERY SUPER POWERS ? Or is it that they are very old ?? And when you talk about Jesus, yes, he existed but then how about Muhammed and Buddha ?? Which is the real Son of God??

...Citing examples such as Blusang Itim, Gremlins and Zuma is quite laughable, the creators of these creatures clearly states that they only came out of their imagination. And citing Tolkien?? please, don't make me laugh dude, i know tolkien's world like the back of my hand. And having asked those questions, let's go back to vampires, the vampire legend is so old, even ancient mesopotamia have their own vampire, now the question here is........ how come that these "myths" existed ??

[wilner]

do vampires really die if u strike to der heart?...

[fingolfin]

Did I say that I blame Bram Stoker alone? I said, and let me say it again, the folklore, as it is considered even today, was magnified into a worldwide phenomenon by stories of merchants (who traveled in Eastern Europe such as Transylvania) and Bram Stoker's novel. Upon hearing these, my theory is, since the tele didn't exist before, people find amusement through story-telling. Thus the folklore or the myth of the vampires became widespread.

... you still don't get it do you?? Why keep mumbling about Bram, when Bram got all his ideas from different folklore and he is indeed clever using the name Dracula to confuse people that he is real with the comparison of Vlad the Impaler. And why is your history too early. it's not that deep. You only considered the time of the height of Bram's novel. Like i always say, Vampires are very old. The way you talk to people is as if we're dumb. This line is what ticks me off:

But still, they are considered as myth...meaning, unreal.

.. it seems you're telling us that we don't know the meaning of a myth. tsk tsk tsk.

[IceInHeLL]

finglofin: can you give me one proof of the existence of God?? The bible??

Ice: Don't put words in my mouth. Its a very lame excuse for an argument. I said, the things around me are proofs enough for me that God exist. It is subjective. For you, its not reason enough. You, however, don't have a single proof to vampire's existence.

(to be continued)