The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[Gjhone]

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hehehe... brownout gyud diay diring dapita.. naa gihapon mo sa kangitngit...
^^^^^ mao pud diay, FYI, gidugang sa Katoliko ang libro sa Maccabees kay naa man diha ang teaching sa purgatoryo.. hehehehe... not the other way around... hehehehe... hehehehe...

pag tsure dong oi! naa diay ka sa kahayag? gi unsa nimo pagkahibaw nga naa ka sa kahayag? basin kahayag rana sa adlaw dong.

[Gjhone]

utro pud ka.. tan-awa'g maayo ug sabta... ang padawat or the "DEED" is a RESULT of your FAITH... kung dili ka oplokon nga taw, mudawat ba kaha ka sa usa ka butang kung wala ka'y pagtuo?! mao bitaw FAITH=GOODWORKS+SALVATION...

paita diring dapita oi... hehehehe... OUTS na ko, kay daghan inventions diri... respetoay na lang ta... inyo pud na... ehehehehehe...

dong wala mi nag need sa imong respeto...ikaw ang faetz dong nganong nagsulod2x ka ani nga thread..

ayaw mo palabi tuo2x sa inyong lider, kamo ray gipang wartahan ana dong..ayaw pa atik.

[SioDenz]

naka kita ko sa documentary sa crusades gahapon bah, naay na mention didto nga mga Pope ba to nag sugod ug dani sa mga tawo to join the crusades. Nya isa daw sa reason why daghan niapil kay nisulti daw an Pope nga if muapil ka sure na or daku chance malangit imung kalag. Unsay ikasulti sa mga Catholics ani?

[yanong_banikanhon]

and please where in the hell did you'd get the "we'd spit on HIM and rejecting and disobeying HIS commands"?... how can one do that and still have faith?!!!!! COMMON SENSE intawn oi...

It clearly shows nga nag-cherry pick lang ka sa pagbasa sa bible, bro.

James 2:18-20
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

Kita ka ana? The demons have very strong faith in GOD, nagpangurog pa gani sila tungod sa ilang pagtuo. But guess what? They figuratively spit on HIM and continously reject HIS commands.

dili

GOOD WORKS + FAITH = SALVATION

Well, imoha pud ng opinion. Lahi pud ang gisulti ni James. So kun ni-respeto ta sa bible, mas tuohan nato ang gisulti ni James kay nakasulat man gyud na sa bible.

James 2:14
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

James 2:17
Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

James 2:22
Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together.

Di ba klaro kaayo nga: GOOD WORKS + FAITH = SALVATION ?

[TwoStepsFromHeLL]

naka kita ko sa documentary sa crusades gahapon bah, naay na mention didto nga mga Pope ba to nag sugod ug dani sa mga tawo to join the crusades. Nya isa daw sa reason why daghan niapil kay nisulti daw an Pope nga if muapil ka sure na or daku chance malangit imung kalag. Unsay ikasulti sa mga Catholics ani?

mao guro gi ingon ana ug sulti kay basin tinood nga malangit, or para lang makadani sila ug mga taw nga mo apil sa crusades. kinsa gud nga taw ang dili gusto malangit. so mo apil jud ky sure na gud nga malangit matod pa sa pope.

[TwoStepsFromHeLL]

@ALL :
naa d i koy pangutana kanatong mga katoliko:
nganu man jud ang ang bibliya man atong basihan "halos" sa tanan. palihog ko ug tubag.

kay kasagaran sa mag argumento bahin sa relihiyon kay bibliya man dayon ang basihan..

[pakyaz]

@fisher7

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

ipadayon imo pag basa fisher hangtod sa Ephesians 2:8-10 aron mahibaw-an nimo nga naay work nga apil ana diha sa Ephesian. now reconcile with the verse in James 2:14-26 that says;

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

@fisher7

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

ipadayon imo pag basa fisher hangtod sa Ephesians 2:8-10 aron mahibaw-an nimo nga naay work nga apil ana diha sa Ephesian. now reconcile with the verse in James 2:14-26 that says;

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

just keep on believing...........

[yanong_banikanhon]

naka kita ko sa documentary sa crusades gahapon bah, naay na mention didto nga mga Pope ba to nag sugod ug dani sa mga tawo to join the crusades. Nya isa daw sa reason why daghan niapil kay nisulti daw an Pope nga if muapil ka sure na or daku chance malangit imung kalag. Unsay ikasulti sa mga Catholics ani?

Bay, welcome back. Can you share your source here para atong ma-examine?

[fisher7]

@yanong_banikanhon
Mao qyud ng usa sa mga lahi sa Baptist ug Roman Catholic bro. maski unsa cguro nato ug explain ron sa ato beliefs, di gyud ni mahuman.
James 2:18 seems to contradict Romans 3:28 "man is justified by faith apart from observing the law" but deeper investigation shows that the teachings of James and Paul are not at odds. While it is true that our good deeds can never earn salvation, true faith always results in a changed life and good deeds. Paul speaks against those who try to be saved by deeds; James speaks against those who confuse mere intellectual assent with true faith. After all, even demons know who Jesus is, but they don't obey him (2:19). True faith involves a commitment of your whole self to God.
Ani na lang cguro, how good should our good deeds be so that we may be saved?
Ang standard sa Ginoo pwerteng taasa. We shoould be perfect so that we may enter heaven but no man can do that. We sin everyday in deeds and in thoughts. That's why through Jesus, who without sin took the penalty of all man's sin so that we may have a relationship with God.

[yanong_banikanhon]

just keep on believing...........

But the demons also continously believe in GOD. Nangaluwas lugar ning mga demonyoha?

James 2:18-20
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?