The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[THE KID]

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[THE KID]

wako ka getz bro...u mean if dili roman catholic ang usa ka tao, if naa mo ask niya unsa iya rilihiyon, ang iya itubag "Christianity"?

pwede nimo ingnon nga I'm a Christian...mangutana siya nimo og unsa nga church..ingnon nimo nga "Baptist, Born Again,RC, etc"..

[yanong_banikanhon]

@THE KID, correction lang gamay sa imong diagram. Kanang Eastern Church (Church of Constantinople) ni-split na sa Catholic Church in the year 1054 (dili 1064). Kanang early christian church (before 1054) mao na ang catholic church.

Ang protestant, ni protesta na sila sa Roman Catholic church. So mas una gyud ni-exist ang Roman Catholic church, ulahi na nitunga ang mga protestant. Otherwise, kun nagdungan silag tunga (sama anang nakabutang sa imong diagram), giunsa man pagsugod sa protesta kun ang ilang giprotestahan wala pa ni-exist?

[THE KID]

^^ salamat sa correction Yanong....wa koy alamag sa acurrate dates og specific nga names...dili pud ko suhito sa Christian history..ang ako rang gi emphasize dha nga ang umbrella nga religion kai Christianity....as support sa akong previous post og post after sa diagram.....

[yanong_banikanhon]

^^ way 'blema, bay.

I would just like to add nga ang mga early christians duna na'y mga set of practices anang panahona. Example, kanang pagpanguros. Gi-practice na ni sa mga kristyanos as early as 200 A.D.

Around the year 200 in Carthage (modern Tunisia, Africa), Tertullian says: "We Christians wear out our foreheads with the sign of the cross". Vestiges of this practice remain: some Christians sign a cross on their forehead before hearing the Gospels during Mass; foreheads are marked with an ash cross on Ash Wednesday; holy oil (called chrism) is applied on the forehead for the sacrament of Confirmation. By the fourth century, the sign of the cross involved other parts of the body beyond the forehead.

src: Sign of the Cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[wenlove24]

Another Question:

Is there a CHANCE at all that GOD and lucifer will be RECONCILED or SETTLED?

you guys are the 3rd one that I have asked about this. The 1st was my religious bestfriend and the 2nd was a family friend of ours who is an "ALBULARYO"

They both said,

"WALA na gyud na'y chance bai... Dili na na mahitabo kay PUNISHAN gyud siya sa GINUO."

TINUOD na??

Lucifer already sealed his fate when he chose to disobey God. Angels are pure spirits and their will is fixed that is why when we die, our state will also be fixed. No more turning back. Lucifer chose darkness over light.
No one can stand before the presence of God, who is eternally bright as any other light unless one's been purified and cleansed from every stain of sin.

[wenlove24]

The Church and non-Christians

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God." The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

Source: Catechism of the CAtholic Church

[fisher7]

If deeds can save man, what purpose did Christ die? We can only be saved by faith through grace alone. Ephesians 2:8-9 "God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."

[ketllac]

@fisher7

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

ipadayon imo pag basa fisher hangtod sa Ephesians 2:8-10 aron mahibaw-an nimo nga naay work nga apil ana diha sa Ephesian. now reconcile with the verse in James 2:14-26 that says;

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[KlaytoN]

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

Source: Catechism of the CAtholic Church

In short, Vatican Council 2 is stating there is no salvation for those non-catholic christians who reject the authority of the scripture (bible) AND tradition (vatican church)..