The SHOCKING Pagan Origin Of Christmas - Must Read! (Merry Christmas!)

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@mark, big fan of zeitgeist movement/movie? Just my observations from all your posts as mark or your other clones.

Actually a friend said I need to watch it because it would expose a lot of truths regarding religions. Unfortunately I have no luxury of time to watch it, due to hectic schedules I sometimes almost forget to wear my underwear everytime I'm heading for work. Of course that's a joke!

Alangan, wala na man kay ikatubag. Bisan unsa na lang imong pasangil. Basaha gani ni imong thread puhon2x kun mahuwasan na ka di ba maulaw ka sa imong kaugalingon.

Myth busted. Case closed. The thread will be closed...

Myth? What myth? You can't erase the fact Christmas is Pagan, no matter who the Pagan god is associated with it, bottomline, it is still Pagan.

[yanong_banikanhon]

Myth? What myth? You can't erase the fact Christmas is Pagan, no matter who the Pagan god is associated with it, bottomline, it is still Pagan.

Markus Junior: Tay, tay! Naa diay animal nga taas kaayo'g liog tay, no? Giraffe ang name ingon akong teacher.

Tatay Markus: Wala dong, oy. Pataka man lang nang imong titser.

Markus Junior: Naa lagi tay, tan-awa o. Nia sa picture sa akong book, taas kaayo ang liog. Abot gud niya ang habog nga sanga sa kahoy.

Tatay Markus: Wala lagi mananap ingon ana'g hitsura dong. More pa, mamatay pa atong silingan.

Markus Junior: Naa lagi tay. Uban gani namo ugma kay naa mi field trip sa zoo.

Ug tuod man, didto sa zoo...

Markus Junior: Kana tay, tan-awa. Mao na ang giraffe. Taas lagi kaayog liog, tay no?

Tatay Markus: Anak, kapila ta na ka giingnan nga walay mananap nga taas og liog. Wala lagi. WALA!

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Markus Junior: Tay, tay! Naa diay animal nga taas kaayo'g liog tay, no? Giraffe ang name ingon akong teacher.

Tatay Markus: Wala dong, oy. Pataka man lang nang imong titser.

Markus Junior: Naa lagi tay, tan-awa o. Nia sa picture sa akong book, taas kaayo ang liog. Abot gud niya ang habog nga sanga sa kahoy.

Tatay Markus: Wala lagi mananap ingon ana'g hitsura dong. More pa, mamatay pa atong silingan.

Markus Junior: Naa lagi tay. Uban gani namo ugma kay naa mi field trip sa zoo.

Ug tuod man, didto sa zoo...

Markus Junior: Kana tay, tan-awa. Mao na ang giraffe. Taas lagi kaayog liog, tay no?

Tatay Markus: Anak, kapila ta na ka giingnan nga walay mananap nga taas og liog. Wala lagi. WALA!

I have no time for this nonsense. What is this? What does the giraffe's neck something to do with the myth and all this stuff we've been talkin here?

[tokidoki_v2.0]

I know how to manage my finances. I'm not a one day millionaire

If Florigaga was here, she would definitely hit you with her Red Prada Stilletos

oh, you would know, would you?

[tokidoki_v2.0]

nice post TS, i just want to add more info on this.

watch this video first
The God Who Wasn't There [Full Film] - YouTube


Most of the Savior / God Stories can be found in this book of
Lord Raglan's the hero pattern: (study of folklore) The 22 point system

Lord' Raglan's Hero Pattern

1. Hero's mother is a royal virgin;
2. His father is a king, and
3. Often a near relative of his mother, but
4. The circumstances of his conception are unusual, and
5. He is also reputed to be the son of a god.
6. At birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or his maternal grand father to kill him, but
7. he is spirited away, and
8. Reared by foster -parents in a far country.
9. We are told nothing of his childhood, but
10. On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future Kingdom.
11. After a victory over the king and/or a giant, dragon, or wild beast,
12. He marries a princess, often the daughter of his predecessor and
13. And becomes king.
14. For a time he reigns uneventfully and
15. Prescribes laws, but
16. Later he loses favor with the gods and/or his subjects, and
17. Is driven from the throne and city, after which
18. He meets with a mysterious death,
19. Often at the top of a hill,
20. His children, if any do not succeed him.
21. His body is not buried, but nevertheless
22. He has one or more holy sepulchres.


Here are the list of Stories some Pre-dating to the jesus story

You left out Star Wars but then again, that was a story after Jesus. The pattern is nonetheless similar.

Let's not forget the numerous fantasy RPG games out there.

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What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas?

Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!


Although the whole world celebrates Christmas as a "Christian" holiday, including millions of non-Christians, is Christmas really "Christian" at all? Consider this fact: Look high and low throughout the pages of the Bible, and you will find not ONE WORD of "Christmas" being celebrated by any of YEHOVAH's people! It is not even mentioned once! Neither the Messiah nor any of his apostles ever observed this holiday, nor the New Testament Church!



Yet on the other hand the pagan, heathen world observed this day for thousands of years before the Messiah was even born!



Where did the mysterious rites and ceremonies that surround this day come from? What about the "Christmas tree" and the "Yule log" and the mistletoe and Holly wreaths? Are ANY of these customs truly "Christian" in origin? And what about fat and jolly old "Saint Nick" -- or Santa Claus?


It's high time we addressed these questions, and took a new look at "Christmas." A church I was formerly a member of, which condemned Christmas observance as paganism, for almost sixty years, today has turned its back on its former beliefs, and encourages its members to observe this pagan mid-winter festival "in honor of Christ"! Many are doing so, heedless of the severe warnings in Scripture of what their eternal fate and destiny will be if they continue to embrace this ancient custom.


Is it wrong to celebrate "Christmas"? What is the truth about this popular and widespread holiday?


The Origin of Christmas


Before one gets carried away with Christmas worship, there are a few things you should know. Let's take an honest and objective look at the origins of this holiday.
We read in Werner Keller's book The Bible as History the following admission:

"December 25 is referred to in documents as Christmas Day in A.D. 324 for the first time. Under the Roman emperor Justinian [A.D. 527-565] it was recognized as an official holiday. An old Roman festival played a a major part in the choice of this particular day. December 25 in ancient Rome was the 'Dies Natali Invictus,' 'the birthday of the unconquered,' the day of the winter solstice and at the same time, in Rome, the last day of the Saturnalia, which had long since degenerated into a week of unbridled carnival..." (p. 331).

Doesn't it seem rather strange that the so-called "Christian church" should choose a day to celebrate the Messiah's birth which was identified as the day of the birth of the unconquered sun, the day of the winter solstice, the "shortest day of the year," when the sunlit part of the days start becoming longer again? What does this have to do with the Messiah, anyway? Was Yeshua the Messiah born anywhere near December 25? Keller goes on:

"Meteorologists as well as historians and astronomers have something of importance to contribute to this question of fixing the date of the birth of Jesus. According to St. Luke: 'And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night' (Luke 2:.
"Meteorologists have made exact recordings of the temperature at Hebron. This spot in the southern highlands of Judah exhibits the same climatic conditions as Bethlehem, which is not far distant. The temperature readings show over a period of three months that the incidence of frost is as follows: December -- 2.8 degrees; January -- 1.6 degrees; February ---0.1 degrees. The first two months have also the greatest rainfall in the year: approximately 6 inches in December, and nearly 8 inches in January. According to all existing information the climate of Palestine has not changed appreciably in the last 2,000 years, consequently modern meteorological observations can be taken as a basis.
"At Christmas-time Bethlehem is in the grip of frost, and in the Promised Land no cattle would have been in the fields in that temperature. This fact is born out by a remark in the Talmud to the effect that in that neighborhood the flocks were put out to grass in March and brought in again at the beginning of November. They remained out in the open for almost eight months.
"Around Christmas-time nowadays both animals and shepherds are under cover in Palestine.
"What St. Luke tells us points therefore to the birth of Jesus having taken place BEFORE the onset of winter..." (p. 331-332).

How interesting! How fascinating! As we explore the time for the birth of the Messiah, we find he was born nowhere near December 25, the very date the world has chosen to "celebrate" supposedly, his "birthday"! But there is much more to the story than this. Let's go on.


Want to read more?
Source The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!


Just a reminder: What matters most is what you believe. I am presenting to you a FACT, not just some sort of a hearsay.

And so this is Christmas, and its Pagan roots.



Season's greetings!

well then Merry Christmas to all of you!

[Gone_rouge]

para xmas jud ni??hhehehe..gi debatihan naman ni last year....hehehhe...
suwayan nakog kay2 ang threads.......
basaha2 nalang ni mark...heheheh...

https://www.istorya.net/forums/genera...christmas.html

mao ra tingali nag post ani bro......it eraned points before.. and seem its been erning points now...

[yiennahs]

actually this is not shocking at all
the only shocking here is karun pa kabaw si TS nga di december 25 and exact date sa birth ni Jesus,
to think niskwela siyag katolik skul

[malic_2]

Pagans of long time ago celebrate different holidays and Christians for fear of losing members made their own holidays og gi tapad nila sa holidays sa mga pagano, mao ng naay holy week, Christmas, fiestas..etc.

Jesus was a jew and ancient jews don't celebrate birthdays mao ng in the bible you'll never find Jesus' disciples celebrating the birth of Jesus.


Nay, indeed, the law(judaic) does not permit us to make festivals at the birth of our children, and thereby afford occasion of drinking to excess (Josephus. Translated by W. Whiston. Against Apion, Book II, Chapter 26. Extracted from Josephus Complete Works, Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids (MI), 14th printing, 1977, p. 632).

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on birthdays....


Early Origins of Birthdays

So what is the origin of birthdays? Where did the idea of birthdays celebrations come from?

“Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Dreams dreamed on the birthday eve should be remembered, for they are predictions of the future brought by the guardian spirits which hover over one’s bed on the birthday eve. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” (The Lore of Birthdays, Linton, p. 20)...

The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” (ibid.).

The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles...

“The Egyptians… discovered to which of the gods each month and day is sacred; and found out from the day of a man’s birth, what he will meet with in the course of his life, and how he will end his days, and what sort of man he will be” (Herodotus, Persian Wars, Book II, ch. 82)