Stud owner on basis of puppy sharing ???

[omar50071]

Got this from a forum somewhere, limot ko if dire ba sa istorya or sa laing site...I just thought this could help.

What is the traditional PUPPY SHARING AGREEMENT in the Philippines when the STUD owner is different from the DAM or BITCH owner?

What does the STUD owner expects and his obligations and the DAM owners obligations in return?

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PUPPY SHARING AGREEMENT really depends on the quality of the STUD and the conditions that will be SET by the STUD OWNER(stud owner has the right to set the agreement, has the right to refuse bitches).

Here is the traditional and customary way of PUPPY SHARING in Philippine Setting:

I. While or during the mating or stud sessions:

a.) the stud owner's obligation during the stud sessions, usually there will be 3(three) sessions for studding. interval of one day per session or mating:
- while on stud service, the stud owner is obliged to shoulder the vitamins for the stud. vitamins or supplements such as Rogin-E, Korgivit-E, Balot, etc
- he should keep the stud dog NOT to be stressed during the stud session duration
- he should not let other dam or bitch in heat to be stud other than the agreed party
- if the bitch stays in the kennel of the stud owner for board and lodging; the stud owner should keep the stud and the bitch far from each other except during mating. the stud owner is obliged to take good care of the bitch while in the kennel.

b.) the bitch owner's obligation during the stud sessions:
- the bitch GOES to the kennel of the STUD and NOT the STUD goes to the kennel of the BITCH.
- the bitch owner shoulders the smear test cost; if the stud owner does require.
- the bitch owner shoulders the cost for the professional fee of the "Shooter", thus it is the bitch owner's choice or prerogative to choose any "Stud Shooter" he chooses.
- if the bitch stays in the kennel of the stud owner for board and lodging; the bitch owner shoulders the cost for FOOD consumption of the bitch. depends if the stud owner will ask or requires lodging fee; then the bitch owner will also shoulder such.

II. During the pregnancy of the bitch and whelping:

a.) responsibility and/or obligation of the stud owner:
- keep the bitch owner informed in any changes of address or contact information.

b.) responsibility and/or obligation of the bitch owner:
- bitch owner shoulders the cost of pre-natal like ultra sound cost. notify or inform the stud owner for ultra sound result. stud owner usually does not require this and bitch owner is not obliged to have the bitch ultra sound.
- keep the stud owner informed in any changes of address or contact information.
- when the bitch whelps or gives birth, informs the stud owner.

III. Post Whelping of the bitch and actual puppy sharing:

a.) the stud owner's rights and obligation:
- signs the LITTER REGISTRATION(PCCI, AKCUPI, UKC or what ever organization that handles it's pedigree registration).
- if there are 5 puppies or less, the stud owner gets the FIRST PICK or chooses 1(one) among his choice from the litters.
- if there are 6 puppies or more, the stud owner gets the FIRST PICK or chooses 1(one) among his choice from the litters and the BITCH OWNER's chooses 1(one) according to his choice. Thus; the stud owner gets 2(two) puppies in total. 1(one) from the choice of the stud owner and 1(one) from the choice of the bitch owner.
- if there is only 1(one) puppy whelped. the sharing is divided equally or half. thus; the stud owner and the bitch owner can negotiate if the bitch owner wants to keep the puppy; the bitch owner pays half the monetary amount of the puppy(or the price averagely dictated by the fair market value) to the stud owner. if the stud owner wants to keep the puppy; he pays half the monetary amount to the bitch owner. if both doesn't want to keep the puppy; anyone of them can sell the puppy(bitch owner is in preference to sell it) and divide the monetary amount from the sale.

b.) the bitch owner's obligations:
- Pay/shoulder's ALL the vaccinations and deworming costs. Customary kennel practice is 3(three) times deworming and 2(two) times 5-in-1 vaccination. Should be performed by a licensed veterinarian.
- Pay/shoulder's ALL the processing fee of the pedigree registration or LITTER REGISTRATION(PCCI, AKCUPI, UKC or what ever organization that handles it's pedigree registration).
- signs the endorsement or transfer of ownership to the stud owner of the puppy/puppies. usually the transfer of ownership is signed/endorsed "in blank" or the new owner's name is blank; thus making the transfer of ownership is an open transfer.

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There could be VARIATIONS in such as way:

1. the stud owner only gets one puppy even how many puppies are whelped and in return the stud owner shoulders the vaccination and deworming costs and shoulders the litter registration cost OR reimburses the bitch owner of said expenses.

2. the stud owner only gets one puppy even how many puppies are whelped. still the bitch owner shoulders the vaccination and deworming costs and shoulders the litter registration cost.

3. there could be so many variations that can be made based from this traditional/customary PUPPY SHARING AGREEMENT as above mentioned.

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Further Notes:

IF IN CASE the bitch did not take after successful mating OR didn't get pregnant, the stud owner if the stud is PROVEN to have impregnated other bitch/es; shall have the FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL for re-stud in case the same bitch goes in her next heat/season.

IF IN CASE the bitch went through miscarriage, the bitch owner should inform the stud owner of such. so at least; not to give false hope to the stud owner and at least give the stud owner a little assurance that the mating was a success; just that for unforeseeable circumstance the bitch went through a miscarriage.

IF IN CASE the bitch did not take after successful mating OR didn't get pregnant, and the STUD is not proven to have impregnated other bitch/es; the bitch owner shall have the FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL for re-stud from the same unproven stud.


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[Ironwood_Cebu]

Hey we are into this becoz we share a common interest, there are times its hard to tell a friend that your dog is garbage afterall most of us started that way....maybe when we just got started, Its much better now becoz of the exposure in the dogshows and some breeders who contribute to the betterment of the breed in general. There are times when we want to really succeed in our breedings but the females the good ones are so limited, so we intend to explore the possibility of a share only to be in a position whereby friendship can be ruined due to such disputes. There r times when I think if its worth the quarrel for just a puppy when the friendship that we had say 10 years or so.....stud fee seems to be more reliable but there are times its just hard to refuse a friend, u know what I mean.

its precisely the reason of friendship and help in the breeder's improvement that we agree on the stud svc eventhough his dam is not really of good quality. but it has to be strictly stud fee only and not puppy sharing. hehe sorry. let's get this straight, most of the time puppy sharing "is requested" because the dam owner does not want to spend for the breeding, initially. thats why we always read "looking for stud, kanang free ra." and in fairness, naa man pod musugot, so to each his own lang gyud.

[fuentes_faith@yahoo.com]

hi.. i have a case that the bitch owner didn't do their responsibility to take care of their female dog. They let other people to take care of the bitch like their "helper" which do not have any knowledge about breeding. Since we agreed to have the term "PUPPY SHARE". The Bitch got pregnant and the puppies died. First, I was informed that the bitch went through a miscarriage, then just now, i was informed that the bitch got pregnant and the puppies died. I felt like it's unfair on my part as the stud owner because i did my obligation.

[Barcelona]

Yes this is a reality that some breeders take for granted that puppy sharing does not involve much obligation as paying a fee. That like when I have a dog given out on adoption, if something happens to the dog, the new owner sometimes thinks it was just given to me for free so whatever happens so be it. The value cheapens becoz he or she did not invest in as in buying a new puppy. I am not saying that everybody is like that, but you will encounter a few who thinks and act this way. I used to have my older dogs adopted so they can have a little more attention with a new adopted family and there are times you get carried away due to affection shown by a family when they come for it. Sure they love dogs but when it comes to spending for it a little hesitation and eventually if it gets sick and die the effort that you expect wont come......I had stop giving dogs esp the older ones becoz they live better with me till they expire, all my dogs receive equal love and care regardless of their age. Afterall they have given me more than what I have ask for ...........their love !

[Barcelona]

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[ronnfive]

For me, it really depends on the person and if that person was honest... friendship is a plus, but even if we're not friends, I am always opt to look on their side of views plus ang kahago gyud pod nila. I am there because I needed their help in exchange for their trust, and won't betray that even wala ko'y name sa dog business.

OT: My dog is a female black pug Choo2x, and recently gave birth to puppies of 4 (1 died fawn) all black survived... Faith's [aka. fuentes_faith@yahoo.com] dog Jacob is the stud, we're communicating regarding updates.

I've been with Arnie & gwynn_uy... so far sa kang Arnie lang ang nagmiss, wala lang gyud cguro gitugot ato nga time, but Janggo was super proven, wala ko'y masulti kang Arnie kay maau kaau ang pag atiman sa akong dog.

Gwynn, got his puppy share [female black pug]... very busy man, tungod sa kabusy nalimot na pagkuha sa iyang paper nga naa gihapon nko.

@fuentes_faith@yahoo.com, I will update you from time to time. Have you receive their pics I sent you thru you're given email?

Thanks.
rOnn

[bot_yok]

i'd rather pay the stud owner.... but it depends if the bitch owner would agree puppy sharing and im ok with it, its just a matter of trust.

[Ironwood_Cebu]

For me, it really depends on the person and if that person was honest... friendship is a plus, but even if we're not friends, I am always opt to look on their side of views plus ang kahago gyud pod nila. I am there because I needed their help in exchange for their trust, and won't betray that even wala ko'y name sa dog business.

OT: My dog is a female black pug Choo2x, and recently gave birth to puppies of 4 (1 died fawn) all black survived... Faith's [aka. fuentes_faith@yahoo.com] dog Jacob is the stud, we're communicating regarding updates.

I've been with Arnie & gwynn_uy... so far sa kang Arnie lang ang nagmiss, wala lang gyud cguro gitugot ato nga time, but Janggo was super proven, wala ko'y masulti kang Arnie kay maau kaau ang pag atiman sa akong dog.

Gwynn, got his puppy share [female black pug]... very busy man, tungod sa kabusy nalimot na pagkuha sa iyang paper nga naa gihapon nko.

@fuentes_faith@yahoo.com, I will update you from time to time. Have you receive their pics I sent you thru you're given email?

Thanks.
rOnn

when Gwynn asked me where to contact you because he was about to get his pup share, i was as happy to know that finally choo2x have conceived. you know naman sad bay nga ive always wanted her to conceive the reason being i also want a black pug and is somewhat fascinated with one. precisely the reason why ive agreed to be on puppy sharing agreement with you... in fact youre the only guy ive agreed with that arrangement so far in pugs (except perhaps the earlier guy whom we know have duped us both in the past ).

but as everyone here would agree, though we put in the dogs, keep them healthy, etc etc, we can never be God. and we cannot assure conception (and/or quality of the pups). i was as sad when youve told me, wala jud kay i understand your eagerness and what youve went through just to have your own breeding... i had my paningkamot pod parte kang choo2x but perhaps we can only do so much, conceiving is still up to the Guy up there, not us.

[ronnfive]

when Gwynn asked me where to contact you because he was about to get his pup share, i was as happy to know that finally choo2x have conceived. you know naman sad bay nga ive always wanted her to conceive the reason being i also want a black pug and is somewhat fascinated with one. precisely the reason why ive agreed to be on puppy sharing agreement with you... in fact youre the only guy ive agreed with that arrangement so far in pugs (except perhaps the earlier guy whom we know have duped us both in the past ).

but as everyone here would agree, though we put in the dogs, keep them healthy, etc etc, we can never be God. and we cannot assure conception (and/or quality of the pups). i was as sad when youve told me, wala jud kay i understand your eagerness and what youve went through just to have your own breeding... i had my paningkamot pod parte kang choo2x but perhaps we can only do so much, conceiving is still up to the Guy up there, not us.

Ahahaha, yep I know who you mean heheheh, pero sagdi nlang wala nlang ko ato bro kay para wala nay hassle. Ang dog tua na sa akong kuya sa leyte, since wala pod xa bantay sa iyang shop, heheh.

Eager gyud bai, since ganahan ko ug puppies from Janggo kay daku xa kaau compared to other pugs nga naa diri cebu, heheh. But even wala nagtake bai Arns, I'm very grateful gyud bai sa hospitality and sa friendship and I'm honored pod nga ni-agree ka sa puppy share sabot nga very seldom gyud nimo buhaton... wala lang gyud gitugot ato nga time, probably naa xa big reason. Second heat pa man pod to ni Choo2x still bata pa gihapon xa by that age.

I'm thoroughly with you guys, sa TS kang Arnie, kang Faith and to other stud owners. This thread is nice gyud atleast mkahibaw pod sila sa part sa Stud owner kay dili lalim maghuwat sa wala.

BUMP for you guys!

[Barcelona]

Glad you guys have put some effort into this topic, thank u for your contribution, I am going to stick to a written agreement which seems to be more binding than just verbal and if ever the bitch owner will try hanky panky I guess having him/her expose would be more than shame, at least people will know and avoid such characters who should not pollute this small dog world in Cebu. We are a very small community and a small word goes real quick, Beware !