View Poll Results: Which one is the best for Road Development in Metro Cebu?

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  • Road Widening (at least 4 lanes each side)

    47 53.41%
  • Flyovers

    4 4.55%
  • Both (Road Widening and Flyovers)

    37 42.05%
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  1. #571

    Default Re: Building of two lane flyovers worth 600M of the peoples money..


    kwarta napud ni!
    bidding ni sa pinaka dako ug bribe

    why not build a skyway nlng?

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    Default Re: Building of two lane flyovers worth 600M of the peoples money..

    This was retyped and posted this so that everyone will be aware. This is a public document so please spread the news. Be involved in our City and make a change for a better future.



    Dear Secretary Singson,

    Greetings from Cebu City!

    I am writing you today to request DPWH to do something that would be a big impact on Cebu City’s future and its people:

    I would like to request that no additional 2-lane Flyovers be constructed in the City of Cebu until after a Transportation Master Plan shall have been completed and alternative solutions to the current horrendous traffic problem in the city are thoroughly studied.



    Please allow me to formalize this request through this Resolution:



    A RESOLUTION TO DPWH SECRETARY ROGELIO L. SINGSON

    FROM THE BANILAD-TALAMBAN TRAFFIC FORCE – CEBU CITY



    WHEREAS, it has been announced in The Freeman, a local Cebu Daily (entitled: “DPWH earmarks P400M for 2 flyovers”) that two 2-lane flyovers in a 4-lane cross intersection will be constructed in 2011 with a budget of 400 million pesos and confirmed by DPWH in a meeting with Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama recently, namely: Cor. MJ Cuenco and General Maxilom Avenues and Cor. Gorordo and Arch. Reyes Avenues.



    WHEREAS, we learned during the meeting that DPWH made no alternative studies, traffic analysis and engineering calculations to arrive at a decision to implement these two flyovers to solve specific traffic-prone intersections of Metro Cebu.

    WHEREAS, Engineering is defined as “the application of scientific and mathematical principles to practical ends such as the design, manufacture, and operation of efficient and economical structures, machines, processes and systems”.

    WHEREAS, the act of DPWH not seeking alternative solutions that may be more efficient and economical than flyovers, particularly the major projects, is a violation of the standard practices of engineering.



    WHEREAS, several traffic/transportation engineering experts have made extensive engineering analysis aided with sophisticated traffic engineering software to prove that there are numerous other cost effective alternative solutions to the proposed DPWH flyovers such as a combination of widening of existing roads and alternate routes, flaring of intersections, pocket lanes and sidewalk improvements.



    WHEREAS, these studies have been validated through technical presentations in various for a by peers in the industry including the Philippine Institute of Civil Engineers and the Transportation Science Society of the Philippines and the United Architects of the Philippines.



    WHEREAS, these studies which have been provided to government infrastructure agencies and LGUs have never been disputed by these agencies or even any government or private sector engineer since they were presented in 2007.



    WHEREAS, a simple count of traffic capacity of well-designed and very cheap on-grade intersections in Metro Cebu proves that they have a higher capacity than any of the 6 existing 2-lane flyovers in Metro Cebu.



    WHEREAS, no person so far have come forward to show that there exists a 2-lane flyover on a 4-lane cross intersection anywhere in the world outside Philippines which could be easily confirmed in a Google Earth shot proves that all over the world, alternative solutions are employed.



    WHEREAS, we recently learned that six (6) more 2-lane flyovers are being planned in Cebu City at a cost of P1.3 billion to the detriment of cheaper and effective alternative solutions.



    WHEREAS, the economic costs of the horrendous traffic in Metro Cebu in the billions of Pesos every year due to fuel or maintenance costs, lost time/productivity, tourism/investment opportunities, economic stagnation in traffic chocked areas, not to mention flared tempers from an angry and frustrated public.



    WHEREAS, the First Transportation Master Plan in Metro Cebu was made in 1978 yet or 33 years ago. Clearly, a Second Transportation Master Plan is now long overdue.



    WHEREAS, a tiny fraction of the billions of pesos already spent on flyovers, say 40M, can be wisely spent on a second transportation master plan that can guide Cebu’s transportation, road and drainage infrastructure needs for the next 20 years which is most crucial to its economic development.



    WHEREAS, the present Administration of President Aquino has made a commitment to correct the mistakes of past administrations and to spend the taxpayer’s money wisely.



    FOR AND BEHALF OF THE BAN-TAL TRAFFIC TASK FORCE:



    MAYOR MICHAEL l. RAMA

    City of Cebu and Banilad-Talamban Task Force Leader

    Members:

    Engr. Jose Sala – Asst. Task Force Leader

    Mr. Roberto Aboitiz

    Engr. Bunny Pages

    Mr. Johnny Paras

    Engr. Fortunato Sanchez

    Mr. Glenn Uytengsu

    Mr. Sylvan Jakosalem – CITOM Chairman

    Atty. Raffy Yap – CITOM Eec. Director

    Engr. Kenneth Enriquez – Cebu City Engineer

  3. #573

    Default Re: Building of two lane flyovers worth 600M of the peoples money..

    taxpayers are merely asking about the consequences of either constructing a fly over or widening a road... its a healthy discussion. naa man gyud advantage ug disadvantage vice versa either sa duha ang buhaton...

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    Default Re: Building of two lane flyovers worth 600M of the peoples money..

    Quote Originally Posted by elvandesantos View Post
    taxpayers are merely asking about the consequences of either constructing a fly over or widening a road... its a healthy discussion. naa man gyud advantage ug disadvantage vice versa either sa duha ang buhaton...
    “We are not against flyover per se.. What we are asking for is rationalization in putting up a flyover"

  5. #575

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvandesantos View Post
    do you know they hire expert people if flyovers are feasible in a specific place? they hire pipz who studies traffic(mostly foreign nationals pa). so i guess husto gyud rason ngano fly overs. so ayaw nalng mo pa tuga2x ug lalis nila.


    really? did they hire foreign traffic experts before buliding a flyover located wireless manadaue city? ilang gibuhatan ug flyover connecting h.cortes ug sa recla nga gamay raman mga sakyanan ma-agi dha.. mostly mga private pa jud... ang traffic naa man nag-gikan sa wireless padung sa mabolo area which is very congested every day....

    hawshaw diay ilang feasibility study ana?

  6. #576

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    ga plano man kaha ang ciudad ug BRT system or LRT, you think ma implement nang duha kung dili iwidening ang mga dalan? you think ma implement pana ang duha kung naa nay mga flyovers? asa man ibutang ang LRT or BRT lanes? taas sa flyover??

    for those who dont have an idea with the BRT, check this report from CNN about the BRT in Curitiba. TAKE NOTICE KUNG UNSA KALAPAD KINAHANGLAN ANG DALAN PARA MA ACCOMODATE ANG BRT AS WELL AS SA UBANG ORDINARYONG SAKYANAN.

    BRT de Curitiba Video da CNN - YouTube

    these are pics of the BRT roads. look how WIDE it is!

    [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xec1BqwW1P8/TU1r7HMRGNI/AAAAAAAAAKo/UOBpsl0SUUU*******BRT.jpg[/img]

    [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xgLyP-rB8F8/TAsFgIMZDeI/AAAAAAAAB38/aHYqwtGzaFY*******curitiba.jpg[/img]

    MGA OPISYALES SA MAG GAMA ANANG FLYOVER MGA PULPOL JUD! CGE LANG SHORT TERM PARA MAKA KWARTA DAYUN. KAY KUNG LONG TERM DUGAY MAN SILA KAKUHA SA KWARTA!

    THINK PEOPLE THINK!
    Last edited by pspoon_low-end; 08-29-2011 at 05:06 PM.

  7. #577

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    as long as maka benefit sa tanan tao then why not?

  8. #578

    Default Re: Building of two lane flyovers worth 600M of the peoples money..

    Quote Originally Posted by ingkiang View Post
    wla jud ni sila klaro plan oi...cguro, ang mkasulbad jud sa traffic ky e lessen ang mga vehicles....
    Cguro bus nlang jud ang main transpo...and raise the tax for private vehicles pra ang mga datu nalng jud mka afford sa mga sakyanan...

    another good thing sad ani ky less air pollution...
    to some extent mo agree ko ani. barato naman gud kaayo mga sakyanan sanglit daghan na maka afford. Pero going back sa flyover or widening, ok ra ang flyover as long as maayo pagka plano.

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    Default Re: Building of two lane flyovers worth 600M of the peoples money..

    Quote Originally Posted by istoryamember View Post
    to some extent mo agree ko ani. barato naman gud kaayo mga sakyanan sanglit daghan na maka afford. Pero going back sa flyover or widening, ok ra ang flyover as long as maayo pagka plano.

    Flyover is very ok bai if maayo ang pagka plano ..i totally agree..i hope they will delay their plan sa to create another flyover kay wala nila natarng ug plano

  10. #580

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    nice read....

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