The Power of Belief with James Randi

[yanong_banikanhon]

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While it's true I've made jokes about religion, but they're jokes fit for public consumption.

And who told you that jokes about religion or other's personal belief are fit for public consumption? Wala ka nakabasa sa forum rule # 2?

Forum rule No. 2
Posts should be composed in such a manner that respects persons of all races, religions, cultures, and sexualities. The purpose of this forum is to facilitate growth, not to belittle others.

IT SEEMS IT'S OKAY FOR CHRISTIANS TO ATTACK ANOTHER RELIGION.

Again, who told you that it's OK for christians to attack another religion? Wala ka nakabantay nga kadtong mga threads sa pipila ka kristyano diri, gipang-close sa mods for that very reason? I guess you really need to familiarize with our house rules here.

[pinoy_09]

The reason the questioner couldn't accept the answer is because he's already made up his mind that DNA has a supernatural origin.

Mao na'y giingon bro nga why bother asking the question when you already know the answer. Maybe it's to prove they are right and we are wrong. Hate to break it to y'all, but there is no right or wrong answers here. And yes, you are all off topic.

Balik mo sa topic, which is skepticism and why people believe in bullshit.

[yanong_banikanhon]

^^ Actually, the TS started it all. See:

anybody who has evidence of their GOD, there's $1,000,000 waiting for you. what are the GOD DELUSIONS waiting for?

Kun tinuoray pa nga skepticism (wala'y sagol nga pagbugal2x sa mga theists) ang main subject aning maong thread, nganong gi-post man sa TS kanang maong comment sa taas?

[pinoy_09]

I am unsure about the TS' intentions; but I am sure you are all off-topic. I hate to get this thread closed, so as much as possible, let's discuss the true intention of this thread, which is:

popular claims of therapeutic touch, psychic detectives, faith healing voodoo curses, channelling, and the media's lack of inquiry into pseudoscience.

[pinoy_09]

This, in particular, interest me the most:

the media's lack of inquiry into pseudoscience.

Any opinion on why this is so?

[yanong_banikanhon]

I am unsure about the TS' intentions; but I am sure you are all off-topic. I hate to get this thread closed, so as much as possible, let's discuss the true intention of this thread, which is:

Fair enough. Let's get back to the topic and AVOID any inflammatory remarks about the theists. Kay dili man kaha na maoy topic diri.

I'm a theist but currently, I don't believe in psychic detectives, faith healing or voodoo.

[hitch22]

Which one, the dolphin? For that answer to be valid, you should provide an undisputable scientific evidence that dolphins DON'T have conscious mind.

If you're going to include dolphins in that set of creatures with a conscious mind, then you must lay down the criteria of what constitutes a "conscious mind". Does that mean that any creature with a brain is a conscious mind?

That's why I said that you're line of questioning is not as straightforward as you think, because you're applying philosophical terms of "consciousness" and "mind" to non-human creatures. You need to settle that issue before you're going to say that my answer of DOLPHINS is invalid. There's no contradiction in what I said earlier because the purpose in that "hotly debated topic" was to point out that non-human creatures are not yet considered as "conscious minds". Therefore, until dolphins are considered as such, my answer remains valid.

Kita ka? DNA is a nucleic acid that CONTAINS the genetic instructions.

Yes DNA CONTAINS the genetic instructions, but it's not just the container; it's the container and everything in it. Remember what you said? DNA is just a container.

I'm not asking about the nucleic acid, I'm asking about the LANGUAGE that is used to encode the genetic instructions. Asa man ang verifiable scientific evidence that this LANGUAGE originates from a random, mindless process? ASA MAN?

Yes, the nucleobases are the alphabet set for DNA. How they assemble together doesn't require a conscious mind? How DNA gets to be arranged in a certain way is governed by Mendelian laws, and sometimes mistakes (mutation) in copying occurs in the process of transcription...and guess what? It's still a living being. Unlike human language, DNA doesn't have rules for mistakes.

You have to be more specific by what you mean by "Language"? Is it grammar rules? Is it the style of wording? Is it the idea behind what is to be expressed? Whichever way you answer this, the scientific position is that, once the universe got going, everything followed the natural order (i.e. the laws of nature).

I think what John Lennox (from where you got this point) meant was this: in the overall grand scheme of things, is it possible that there's no mind behind at that very beginning (the Big Bang) that would lead to something as complicated as DNA? I don't think he was saying that DNA itself isn't produced naturally. His point was about the whole history of the universe from its quantum beginnings to how that could lead to humans thinking about that history.

And who told you that jokes about religion or other's personal belief are fit for public consumption? Wala ka nakabasa sa forum rule # 2?

Forum rule No. 2
Posts should be composed in such a manner that respects persons of all races, religions, cultures, and sexualities. The purpose of this forum is to facilitate growth, not to belittle others.

It's still hypocritical of you to have this personal crusade to single out the atheists. If we go by Forum rule No. 2, it also says cultures, races and sexualities. I've seen you disrespect atheists who didn't even do any of the ridiculing. If you make a blanket attack against all atheists (even if it's an act of revenge), then that makes you guilty of violating rule no. 2. Isn't it your argument that atheism is a belief, therefore it has to prove there is no God?

You might as well ban atheists from talking about atheism. Because when atheists talk about atheism, you wouldn't want to hear about why we don't believe.

Since you've appointed yourself as the police chief for Rule No. 2, another hypocrisy is that you have no problems at all making homophobic comments to florigaga. Remember the rule includes respect the person's sexuality also. Or are you now going to say that sexual sensibilities do not include homosexuals?

It seems you're the no. 1 violator of Rule no. 2 and yet you feel all this hypocritical righteous outrage about my little jokes. Compare all my posts and yours to everyone else (yes I've committed a handful of blunders but they're too lightweight to merit even an infraction. Just ask the mods how many infractions I've received. Yes, ZERO)...and you tell me who's more respectful.

To quote yourself,

I guess you really need to familiarize with our house rules here.

OT: YANONG, you have the last words here. I agree with you that our argument belongs to that locked thread, not here. I apologize for that joke and for offending you. As regards to yielding to your point, let's just say we agree to disagree. Shall we bury the hatchet?

[kenites]

This, in particular, interest me the most:

the media's lack of inquiry into pseudoscience.

Any opinion on why this is so?

promote pa man gani pseudoscience bro...look at the Inquirer Newspaper , Jaimie Lichauco has a column in that paper, i don't know if naa pa ba gihapon...


The news that caught my attention two months ago kay kadto bata nga pyrokinetic daw..I dunno what happen to her..I think it's interesting if they do some research on the subject

[pinoy_09]

promote pa man gani pseudoscience bro...look at the Inquirer Newspaper , Jaimie Lichauco has a column in that paper, i don't know if naa pa ba gihapon...


The news that caught my attention two months ago kay kadto bata nga pyrokinetic daw..I dunno what happen to her..I think it's interesting if they do some research on the subject

Kinsa paman to'ng mga sikat kaayo nga mananag-an sa atoa. Si Madam Auring Our Pinoy version of Sylvia Brown. What a fraud.

Also, remember this girl este guy:

Judiel Nieva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[kenites]

yah si Madam Auring bro...naa pa si Zenaida Zeva (i'm not sure sa iya name) mao ni sya tighatag horoscope sa mga morning shows..naa pa tong Nostradamus of Asia si JoJo Acuin, patay na ra ba diay siya..
Si Judiel Nieva bro before abi nako girl to siya..murag karon ni ladlad naman...I think he has a short tv career, mao ni sya nagpasikat sa dancing sun

Napansin nimo ang mga local TV shows bro, pag sulod gani sa new year sige dayon pang interview anang mga pychic..pag halloween pud sige feature anang mga haunted house daw or kanang mga naka experience anang mga ghost...Nindot unta if naa dire sa Pinas ang mga shows nga parehas sa ila James Randi, Michael Shermer or Penn and Teller..lingaw siguro kaayo kay daghan kaayo ma debunk dire