***Demons/devils didn't exist? Really?

[hitch22]

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I don't think it's a good idea to preach children about hell and damnation. How logical is it to think in this manner: That the world is a mysterious place, therefore there are supernatural entities lurking in the shadows, waiting to pounce upon unsuspecting wanderers. How on earth does anyone buy into that kind of logic? That cannot be sane. I'm sorry. If I'll be blamed for not respecting beliefs in the effort to help bring about some enlightenment and sanity, then so be it. If ridiculing is such a big crime, then shoot me.

Tell me, what's so moral about inflicting eternal punishment for a finite crime? True justice requires that punishment should not exceed the severity of a wrong doing. What possible crime deserves eternal punishment?

[3nZ0y]

They do...had just seen one.

perhaps because there are different types ailments and some 'reactions' to different drugs...I dunno

[CocoCrunch]

Yes, we are given freewill sa Ginoo coz in that diha sad ma measure niya ang atong gugma and response sa iyaha in worship and adoration to declare his Glory and Majesty. Kung dunay LOVE duna jud ang freewill. But the freewill nga gihatag sa ginoo nato is limited to the bounds of the form he only allows. example for this is the law of gravity, dili manka makalupad bisan naa kay freewill tungod kay bounded ta ana nga law.

But since we are given this freewill, we are also deemed accountable sa iyang gihatag. That's where the eternal life/death comes in.

Daghan na kaayog teachings about freewill. (naa na gani movie ani katong whale2x joke)
seriously, sa kadaghang versions and interpretations sa bible and statement sa mga taw naglain2x na nya confusing na. hasta personality ni Jesus kay lain2x.
ikaw santopaps ayaw palabi og tuo sa vids og mga taw oi. jusko tingali ikaw ray gikataw.an sa devils nimo kay nituo ka nila.

[santopaps]

Most people are only bounded on what is given to them--internet, Bible, friends, etc. The world is vast that even the most intelligent person does not know everything about the world. People tend to imagine to make-believe that what has not been seen has already been seen.

The definition of devil is a creature that does evil acts and push (tempt) the person to do such. As long as their is evil, there is a devil. On the other hand, the definition of angel is a creature that does good acts and push the person to do such. As long as their is goodness, there is an angel.

That "creature" is unseen. All visible things are not the only creature/things that exist. Love cannot be seen. It can only be seen when one express care to other people. The agent or "creature" who does that care is human himself.

Evil cannot be seen. Evil is not even innate in us because we are born not good and not bad. Evil can only be seen when one does harm to other people. We can call the source of that evil that make one do evil a devil. Though people can say that the source of evil is their need to do such, or from their society, there should be an invisible one that controls that society to continue doing evil acts. If there is no one, then that society should have stopped doing evil in an instant.

It is just like a person taking care of his dog. If the person stops feeding the dog, the dog will always seek for it from that person. If the person leaves that dog forever, that dog will find a way to other places to eat. If the dog cannot find any way, the dog will die.

The dog represent human beings. When there is no one to feed us, we will find a way to eat by seeking food from trees. If there are no trees, or any source of food, then we die. There should be an agent pushing the people to act. Conscience can be an agent. Fear can be an agent. Habit can be an agent. But who/what is the agent of conscience, fear, and habit? It is the other person making you such. But who/what is the agent of making that other person do as such, then it is the society. But who/what is the agent of the society doing such, blah blah blah... until we get to the point that we don't know that agent anymore. We call that agent an invisible being. The agent of goodness can be called an angel. The agent of evil can be called a devil. What is the agent of the angel and the devil? Perhaps, God? What is the agent of God? Perhaps another being?

The main point is that the world is so complicated that human beings cannot fathom. We don't even know what lies beyond the universe.

The implication is that, whether devils exist or not, let us do things that make us happy. Let us avoid happy acts that make us sad in the future. As simple thinking as we are, we can do great things.

Bottomline is that you do not know everything...of course no one. If mao na imong perception sa imong existence bro then you are like swimming in the ocean of nowhere. That's why you need to know the Lord Jesus Christ for He came from eternity and knows everything in us and revealed himself as the WAY, TRUTH and the LIFE for us to find meaning and purpose in life.

Is Faith Delusional - John Lennox (PART 3 of 5) - YouTube

Try to know him more!

[Harvie]

Watch this.

Ill Niño - Alibi of Tyrants

Demons with talents.

[orcgod]

@SANTOPAPS -

before ka magwali diri, try to do this...

Your CHRISTIAN man kaha, you believe in GOD, Jesus Christ, and all the chuvaness that comes with it. Why not look for him and search him. If you have a father, you need to SEE your father, touch, hug, and have meaningful conversation.

So search your GOD, log out sa diri sa istorya, nya search santopaps, log in lang balik kung magkakita namo, dungan mu log in ni Lord nimo diri istorya, ha, dong ha.

[SioDenz]

As far as the conscious mind is concerned, there is no such thing as FREE WILL.

Is that a belief of Atheism? or para sa imu lang.

[SioDenz]

I don't think it's a good idea to preach children about hell and damnation. How logical is it to think in this manner: That the world is a mysterious place, therefore there are supernatural entities lurking in the shadows, waiting to pounce upon unsuspecting wanderers. How on earth does anyone buy into that kind of logic? That cannot be sane. I'm sorry. If I'll be blamed for not respecting beliefs in the effort to help bring about some enlightenment and sanity, then so be it. If ridiculing is such a big crime, then shoot me.

Tell me, what's so moral about inflicting eternal punishment for a finite crime? True justice requires that punishment should not exceed the severity of a wrong doing. What possible crime deserves eternal punishment?

I am a Theist But in most part i agree with this, I think most of the Christian religions are wrong when they interpret and present God and its teachings from the Bible. Most of them focus on Scaring the people especially children about hell and damnation, they focus mostly on the punishment rather than the reward which I think is not correct. For me, the message of God is Love and Happiness, thus God set the rules for us to follow Not because of the punishment but the reward it can give to you and others - so i think its important to focus on that. Although we still have to inform them about Hell and Damnation but we should focus more on spreading the message of Love and happiness.

[NNNN]

Bottomline is that you do not know everything...of course no one. That's why you need to know the Lord Jesus Christ for He came from eternity and revealed himself to be the truth and has given us the answers to the purpose and meaning of life.

Is Faith Delusional - John Lennox (PART 3 of 5) - YouTube

Try to know him more!

A topic on knowing Jesus Christ is out of context of this thread.

[pinoy_09]

@Sio: Why not eliminate the idea of hell, damnation, and heaven altogether? Why the need to impose those ideas on little children?

As for your question, I don't expect the other atheists to share my views.