Do you believe in god?

[santopaps]

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specific arguments santopaps para dali matubag ni bro hitch22.

Kung hangtud karon bro gasige gihapon ang debate about theism against atheism then kapoy2 lang ta ug raise sa atong argument diri. Dili man sad tungod kay dili makatubag ang usa pasabot nga nalupig/pildi na ang usa ka belief. Stalemate ta diha bro kung dili nato iapil ang supernatural/spiritual nga butang nga maoy mo explain anah.

akong ibalik lang akong nalibogan about atheism bro...

1) Nagtuo mo nga ang tawo ni evolve gikan sa single-cell organism nga walay buot
my question: giunsa man pag evolve sa inyong consciousness?

2) Nagtuo mo nga ang morality dili gikan sa Ginoo. Bunga lang sa inyong evolusyon
Question: Kung ang inyong morality uban man kaha sa inyong evolusyon, then mas nindot pa unta ang inyong moral labaw kay sa mga tawo nga inyong gi treat as wala pa mo-evolve (like the theist). Unsa ang inyong evolusyon sa morality, padulong ug walay buot or nagkamaayo/buotan mo.

3) Nagtuo mo nga dili/walay ginoo nga gabuhat sa universe kay walay evidence mapakita
Question: How about sa atheistic science, naay evidence? kung dili man Ginoo ang gabuhat aning tanan then mas dili katuohan ang inyong rason nga basin sa pila pa ka millions of years sa atong evolution inyong ma discover ang tubag sa origin of life ug sa universe, tabla ra mog nagdamgo anang millions of years, maglisud man gani tag abot 100.

Hope matubag nimo sa imong atheistic science kaning mga butanga...pero kung ang tubag samot ka imposible, dili nalang ta mag-usik sa atong oras diri. Padayon lang mo sa inyoha kay padayon sad mi.

[pinoy_09]

How about kung ikaw lay post bro kung ganahan ka? nagpangita man jud kaha ka sa imong value?

Unsa'y gamit sa pag post nimo ug mga videos kung ikaw mismo wala kasabot sa maong videos?

[santopaps]

nakasabot nako ana bro, mao bitaw gishare kuna para nimo. sabta usa ang video then comment lang kung unsay wala nimo maganahi.

[pinoy_09]

nakasabot nako ana bro, mao bitaw gishare kuna para nimo. sabta usa ang video then comment lang kung unsay wala nimo maganahi.

Unya imo gyud nang gitan-aw ang tanang videos nga imong gi-post diri, bai santopaps? Beh kuno i-summarize daw na imong mga videos, di kay mag post raka ug video link. Wa mana'y lami.

[Norad-II]

1) Nagtuo mo nga ang tawo ni evolve gikan sa single-cell organism nga walay buot
my question: giunsa man pag evolve sa inyong consciousness?

Consciousness evolved from primitive animal brains, when, as animal bodies and senses became more complex, it necessitated the ability to perceive multiple futures. So animals had to evolve so that their brains, instead of reacting only on instinct, could also store information vital to their survival such as "which food is best to eat?" and "which place is the best place to get this food?" and compartmentalize that information so he can just access which information suits his current needs.

If you'd like a lengthier and more detailed explanation, you can check Malcolm McIver's blog in Scientific American here: Why Did Consciousness Evolve, and How Can We Modify It? | Science Not Fiction | Discover Magazine

And you can check out his Northwest University page here: The MacIver Lab Homepage

[yanong_banikanhon]

Sa akong paminaw, mura'g mao ni ang usa sa kinakusgang argument ni John Lennox anang video nga gi-share ni santopaps.

Life, as we both know, has got this digital database. It's got a language all of its own, a very sophisticated language. Now, the only thing we know of capable of producing language is mind. And yet, you reject that. But science knows of no other conceivable way of it being generated.

We have a phenomenally sophisticated information/language processor which is the cell. Am I really to believe that the information processing capacity simply came about by random process without the aid of any intelligent mind?

***the above is not a word-by-word transcription sa maong video. I paraphrased some of the sentences.

[petite fleur]

^^tokidoki, please do not harass my friend, petite.

Hahha Merci Beaucoup!

Ing ana jd na siya ay...

[santopaps]

Consciousness evolved from primitive animal brains, when, as animal bodies and senses became more complex, it necessitated the ability to perceive multiple futures. So animals had to evolve so that their brains, instead of reacting only on instinct, could also store information vital to their survival such as "which food is best to eat?" and "which place is the best place to get this food?" and compartmentalize that information so he can just access which information suits his current needs.

If you'd like a lengthier and more detailed explanation, you can check Malcolm McIver's blog in Scientific American here: Why Did Consciousness Evolve, and How Can We Modify It? | Science Not Fiction | Discover Magazine

And you can check out his Northwest University page here: The MacIver Lab Homepage

hahahhha...pagpuyo mo oi! kung wala man ma convinced ang mga mas nakamao pa kaysa atua about aning imong explaination nga kinopya ra pud, then ai nalang pag-usik ug effort bro.

Akong ma suggest nalng ninyo bro ai...
Maypa tuo nalang mo nga naay Ginoo, bahalag naa ra sa inyong damgo, then huwat lang within a span of less than 100 years, imo nang ma prove kung tinuod jud diay siya. But if dili, walay makuha sa imoha. Kaysa maghuwat ka anang million years nga imposible makaabot ka ug tabla ra nga naghunahuna ka sa wala.

[yanong_banikanhon]

We know that all the traits/characteristics of an offspring are written as instructions using a very sophisticated language called the 'genetic code'.

We know that the only natural/physical thing that can produce such sophisticated language is the mind.

Atheists believe that the 'genetic language' came about in a random fashion, without the aid of any mind. Yet they cannot provide any scientific evidence to back up that assertion. They cannot provide a naturalistic explanation of their belief. Does this mean that atheists also believe in miracle?

[hitch22]

Common tactics ni sa pipila ka mga atheists. Kun wala'y mangutana sa ila, aw, mag awas awas gyud ilang confidence. Feeling nila sila ang kinabraytan sa grupo. Kusog dayon magbugal2x sa mga theists.

Are you accusing me of this? YOU LIAR!

Unya kun tarongon na'g pangutana sa tinuoray nga position sa iyang pagtoo, maglikay-likay na. Moingon dayon, dili man ko atheist. Agnostic lang. Kay na-agnostic na man og kalit, sayon na dayon sa iya ang pagtubag og 'I don't know'. 'Let's cross the bridge when we get there, blah...blah...blah'.

Unya kun ipiton pa gyud og question, dayon ingon: Boring man na nga pangutana.

Likay-likay? I answered all your damned questions, and this is the treatment I get for making the effort? SCREW YOU!

You asked if the scientific method is the ultimate arbiter for the truth or falsity of everything. DIDN'T I REPLY "WHO CARES?" That means, of course not. But who cares? Then I asked you if religion is the better arbiter. You didn't respond to my question.

TELL ME NOW, Who's the one dodging the questions? When you didn't answer any of my questions, I didn't say you were dodging my questions. Ipit gud tawn, bayutakanhon. Ikaw hinuon. Wala gyud motubag bisag usa lang ka question nako.

So what if scientific method cannot verify every claim or hypothesis and is not the ultimate method for everything. Compared to what? You have to show me a better tool. AYAW UG LIKAY-LIKAY HA.