Do you believe in god?

[hitch22]

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Common tactics ni sa pipila ka mga atheists. Kun wala'y mangutana sa ila, aw, mag awas awas gyud ilang confidence. Feeling nila sila ang kinabraytan sa grupo. Kusog dayon magbugal2x sa mga theists.

Unya kun tarongon na'g pangutana sa tinuoray nga position sa iyang pagtoo, maglikay-likay na. Moingon dayon, dili man ko atheist. Agnostic lang. Kay na-agnostic na man og kalit, sayon na dayon sa iya ang pagtubag og 'I don't know'. 'Let's cross the bridge when we get there, blah...blah...blah'.

Unya kun ipiton pa gyud og question, dayon ingon: Boring man na nga pangutana.

Kun nagrespeto pa lang unta mo sa pagtoo sa mga theists, dili unta pud mi mangutana sa inyong pagtoo. Theists and atheists can live together basta mag-respetuhay lang ta sa atong tagsa-tagsa ka pagtoo.

Edited: It's the height of arrogance to declare yourself right in our brief exchange. Let's have an objective party (like the moderators) decide on that. Let them read what I said and what you said...and let them see if I've committed the things you alleged of me.

[santopaps]

Well, because you've misquoted me and quoted me out of context, I have every right to be suspicious of your intentions. You LIED. WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY?

You want me to answer your question. Fair enough. Let's deal with it then. I'll start with the second question first, since that's easier. Is it science itself? Well, the domain of science is the natural world. As far as things that are observable in nature are concerned, the scientific method has been the ultimate arbiter of what's right and what's wrong amongst competing theories/hypothesis. When I say "ultimate," I mean it has the final say on which theories survive and which theories get set aside. And when I say "final say," that only means that the scientific method has deemed a theory fully supported. It's just like a judge in the court of law who is the ultimate arbiter of what's acceptable evidence, testimonies, etc., as far as the domain of litigation is concerned.

Now, as you phrased the question: what is the ultimate arbiter of all truths? This is not a valid question. Why? A truth needs no arbiter; it is a settled matter. Get it? This is the problem when you take things out of context and twist words, as if trying to be smart. You get the whole thing wrong. The proper way to phrase this question is a very localized one. It goes like this, as how I stated it. We have competing explanations. What is the ultimate arbiter for the truth or falsity of these explanations?

Perhaps, you intended the question to be phrased like this: WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE ARBITER FOR THE TRUTH OR FALSITY OF EVERYTHING?

Well, that begs the question, doesn't it? The domain of everything is so wide. The question has to go back to you: Can you list the domains that is captured in "EVERYTHING"?

Nice explaination bro! binisaya lang ko ha para sad makasabot ang mga bisaya.hehhe.

Abi nimo bro, ang motuo sa atheism kay nagpalayo lang pag ayo sa knowledge about sa Ginoo. Usa sa mga logic nga dili jud rational kani nga concept tungod kay:

1) Nagtuo mo nga ang tawo ni evolve gikan sa single-cell organism nga walay buot
my question: giunsa man pag evolve sa inyong consciousness?

2) Nagtuo mo nga ang morality dili gikan sa Ginoo. Bunga lang sa inyong evolusyon
Question: Kung ang inyong morality uban man kaha sa inyong evolusyon, then mas nindot pa unta ang inyong moral labaw kay sa mga tawo nga inyong gi treat as wala pa mo-evolve (like the theist). Unsa ang inyong evolusyon sa morality, padulong ug walay buot or nagkamaayo/buotan mo.

3) Nagtuo mo nga dili/walay ginoo nga gabuhat sa universe kay walay evidence mapakita
Question: How about sa atheistic science, naay evidence? kung dili man Ginoo ang gabuhat aning tanan then mas dili katuohan ang inyong rason nga basin sa pila pa ka millions of years sa atong evolution inyong ma discover ang tubag sa origin of life ug sa universe, tabla ra mog nagdamgo anang millions of years, maglisud man gani tag abot 100.

abi nimo bro, dili na kinahanglan ug ebidensya ang existence sa Ginoo for the theists kay amo nang na feel ang iyang presence ug power sa among kinabuhi. and this is an undeniable truth sa atong tanan, bisan unsaon pa ninyo ug suppress kana nga kamatuoran kay gi imprint nana sa Ginoo sa atong pagkatawo nga mangita jud sa creator.Pasabot ba nga dili sad katuohan nga tinuod ka nga nahigugma sa imong pares kay dili man makita ang imong gibati ngadto sa iyaha?

Ang inyo gud panglantaw sa reality bro kay mura ug fake nga buwak bah (decorative/ ornamental). walay kinabuhi kay dili mo ka appreciate sa intangible characteristics like sa iyang kahumot which is the essence sa iyang true beauty.

Dr. Ravi Zacharias - Who is God to the values I live by? - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_9Cb...eature=related

[rejiel]

syempre....

[yanong_banikanhon]

OT: TS, please request the mods to close this thread.

Kay ina'y mag-nirespetuhay ta sa nagkalain-laing pagtoo, kaning maong thread mao unya'y mahimong hinungdan nga magbingkil na pud ang mga istoryans. Lisud baya ang magpugong sa pag-post kun imo na makit-an nga medyo gihimo nang kataw-anan ang imong personal belief. Dili malikayan, maka-reply gyud. Mag-ni-replyay na dayon.

You should not have created this thread in the first place kay naa na baya'y existing atheism vs. theism thread diri sa gen. discussion section. Sakto na siguro ang usa ka thread bahin sa atheism ug theism. Dili na kinahanglan daghanon.

[pinoy_09]

Oh yes. God has a son and his wife was a virgin. And to save mankind from original sin, he had the foresight to have his son tortured. Yes, I believe that. Very logical indeed. Thank you for that wonderful truth. I'm now a better man because of that.

You would be a much better man if only you can accept Jesus as your personal savior. Have a marriage with Jesus, then you would find that all these things about virgin birth and original sin are rational and logical.

[florigaga]

ihunong na na ninyo!

let the theist show their God! and we will believe in God! pero kung wala, we will remain not believing!

live by sight, not by faith! that makes a difference!

[florigaga]

OT: TS, please request the mods to close this thread. Kay ina'y mag-nirespetuhay ta sa nagkalain-laing pagtoo, kaning maong thread mao unya'y mahimong hinungdan nga magbingkil na pud ang mga istoryans.

Sakto na siguro ang usa ka thread bahin sa atheism ug theism. Dili na kinahanglan daghanon.

you just ran out of words!

that's your excuse when you're about to lose in a debate! you'll ask the mods to close the thread coz you know you officialy lost!

how pathetic!

[florigaga]

You would be a much better man if only you can accept Jesus as your personal savior. Have a marriage with Jesus, then you would find that all these things about virgin birth and original sin are rational and logical.

typical christian will say

accept lord jesus as your personal lord and savior! and you'll have eternal life! you won't be burned in hell, coz the way to life is jesus christ the son of God!

WHAT?! nya saon na lang ang mga muslim nga dili mutuo ni jesus, nya giconsider ra si jesus nga prophet. mga buddhists, hindu, ug uban pang religions?! they'll burn in hell because they don't believe in jesus?

THAT'S SO RIDICULOUS!

holy crap!

[yanong_banikanhon]

^^ Pagpuyo, Mark. Basaha lang ang mga previous posts. I-zip dayon ang imong baba. Kay basin magkilat na pud unya duna unya'y ma-ban og kalit.

[santopaps]

hahhaha...dumot jud kayo ka ni mark yap bro ha! asa mana sya sa opon? mahimuot jud ko nimo permi basta imo nang badlongon ba kay mura lang ug imong studyante or manghud nga nagpabadlong.