MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

[pinoy_09]

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Naabot naman mo'g LUBOT diri oi.

Anyway, fafa springy ang twisted kanang 3 girls in 1 cup.

[Butchokoy]

Ikaw nag sulti ana dili ako . What I only said was the APPROPRIATENESS . But since when nahitabo ang S3X sa male and female didnt involved sa P3NIS and VAGINA ? Pero kamong mga BAYOT kahibalo mo na mga wala moy TALIB , ipamugos gyud ninyo sa LUBOT . Thats where my adjective na TWISTED comes in . <<<OT: Ive seen porn movies nga ang babaye kay mo offer sad jud sa ilang Lubot. hehe...also..even not in porn movies..even in real life daghan jud ko nabaw an nga ang babaye ganahan sad sa lubot agian..single and married ni ha - ganahan man sad ang ubang babaye ani? d lang kay bayot ra hahahah!..kataw anan man ni oi.

mga girls disagree lang mo ha kung d ni tinuod..mao man ni gud akong nabaw an sa kadaghanan..as married couple daw kay dapat mo explore daw para ma sustain ang love..

[3nZ0y]

^^Dakong sakto!

HOMOSEXUALS will never be in the STATE of GRACE lage . What is so hard for you to understand ?

What is so hard to understand is the basis where you get that from. And what is so hard to understand is (what had been repeated many times) even the very person who administered the said sacraments of reconciliation are not in the state of grace himself if deep inside he is homosexual [if we follow your logic that homosexuals will NEVER be in the state of grace].

Sanctions , investigations etc were made . Just because its existence is prevalent doesnt make it a right for the HOMOSEXUALS to make it a leverage .


How did you know na walay sanctions nangahitabo ??

I did not say nga walay sanctions, did I? But no matter how many sanctions and investigations are done, it will not take away the fact that they are homosexual prior to, during or even after they received the sacrament of priesthood. That is my point.

This is my post number 127 from this thread . Take note of the red phrase because that is the exact statement which I seem to have hard time to find in the website nila unless gi tangtang nila na .

The issue here is ngano MAGPAKASAL man sila using the RITES of the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY .

That is a very big insult to the RC church . Napa CRUCIFIX sa background , wala sila ngiluhi ?

That rite of matrimony was just an adaptation of the usual marriage rites. What so bad about it? It does not even directly stem from RC. And what if naay crucifix sa likod? Crucifix, let me remind you, is a universal symbol that reminds people of the crucifixion of Christ and it is not an RC symbol ONLY. There were even other religion who use the symbol of the cross.

To start lage , being HOMOSEXUAL is already wrong . Kung naa man gani BAYOT diri or TOMBOY , you dont need to repent , what you need to do , magpaka LALAKI or paka BABAY mo . Ayaw lang gud i abrupt aron di lisod .

Ngano wrong man? Maayo kaha nga magpakalalake bisan dili jud mahimo? Unsa amoa na lang buangon amoa self ug ang mga tawo? Akoa na man tingali gi post diri before unsay usa sa mga posible nga mahitabo if pugson jud nimo ang usa ka tawo nga mamahimong 'different person' from what he really is.

Taken from their site :

With or without same-*** marriage laws in the Philippines, love is still the highest law, and LGBT people are entering into relationships and experiencing God's love in their sexual relationships.

Intawn , ayaw na gamita ang ngalan sa ginoo in promoting your LOVE kuno when it is obvious thats all LUST

I did not personally see that part, but what I see now is:

Join the MCC Family!

We are an Ecumenical Church for all because God's love is unconditional and inclusive!

A Christian community where you are free to worship...

Free to love...free to celebrate your sexuality the way

God created you to be!

Anticipated na siya BRAD . Even your questions are scripted na but for the sake of discussion , gi answer lang gihapon nako . The point BRAD is , do you really believed na EQUALITY lang ang gukod sa HOMOSEXUALS ? If dili tungod kay LUST , ngano sa RELIGIOUS RITES man sila ni eksena ? Dili man sa STATE where mas naay weight gyud ? Although speculation lang nako na because if accepted na mo sa church , SEXUAL INTERCOURSE between two individuals of the same s3x is also accepted na . I am not speaking in a typical in behalf of HOMOSEXUALS but look around you , unsay masulti nimo sa HOMOSEXUALS ilabi na s abayot when you talk about P3NIS . Dili ba SEXUAL dayon ?

Wala sad ko kahibawo nila ha, but sa akoang pagsabot, mas lisod ug mas dugay if magpaabot pa sila sa state nga ma approve ang same *** marriage. I am not even sure if acknowledged ba sa state ilaha union. Perhaps (if what they say on the site is true to their ideals) they want to show that the love of god is inclusive and indeed universal. That for me, is noble. Don't you agree?

After so many pages and explanations on both sides , ni come out na OT na gyud ta because EQUALITY ra man diay gukod ninyo , but di man na ninyo ma achieved sa CHURCH WEDDINGS ang EQUALITY na gipangita ninyo . Anyways ... I would really love to know unsa na gipasabot nimo , markahi lang ug OT .

Wala koy labot nila. I don't believe in marriage anymore so wala ko paki nila. I am only challenging your way or reasoning kay mura siya unfair sa tanan bayot and not just those nga gusto magpakasal for one reason or another.

OT:
Since you asked for it, then I will answer it. Moangkon ko nga if naay *** between two males dili jud kaayo malingaw/ma satisfy ang 'bottom' (slang term for the guy nga mo oral ug magpa anal) as opposed to 'top' (I guess kahibawo na mo unsa ni). But usually ang gay man jud ang bottom. So mas naay orgasm ang straight guy. [Mao na ang usa sa mga reasons ngano nasikat ang 'nilatch' (ang straight maoy mahimong 'bottom') but I don't do that either] So kung *** lang, dili jud ko masatisfy (physically).

I am a psycho and a KSP. I admit that. Mao na mas ganahan pa ko nga naay attention from a straight guy nga friend or more than that. That for me, is real satisfaction.

Disclaimer: Unless on certain times nga taas imoha libido, kay tawo ra sab baya ko. If you know what I mean.

Ikaw nag sulti ana dili ako . What I only said was the APPROPRIATENESS . But since when nahitabo ang S3X sa male and female didnt involved sa P3NIS and VAGINA ? Pero kamong mga BAYOT kahibalo mo na mga wala moy TALIB , ipamugos gyud ninyo sa LUBOT . Thats where my adjective na TWISTED comes in .

Who or what determines what is appropriate?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"] ^^Dakong sakto!

Ang unsay sakto ? ANAL S3X ?

What is so hard to understand is the basis where you get that from. And what is so hard to understand is (what had been repeated many times) even the very person who administered the said sacraments of reconciliation are not in the state of grace himself if deep inside he is homosexual [if we follow your logic that homosexuals will NEVER be in the state of grace].

And how do you know who are the people in the STATE of GRACE ? Ikaw ra personally ? Do you like to hear a story ba lage about STATE of GRACE ? The fact remains that the moment a SAME S3X MARRIAGE occurs , its not a SECRET that both parties , the CELEBRANT and both the GROOMS knows that they are not in the STATE of GRACE .

I did not say nga walay sanctions, did I? But no matter how many sanctions and investigations are done, it will not take away the fact that they are homosexual prior to, during or even after they received the sacrament of priesthood. That is my point.

But isnt it obvious that you are implying that nothing is being done to it ?

That rite of matrimony was just an adaptation of the usual marriage rites. What so bad about it? It does not even directly stem from RC. And what if naay crucifix sa likod? Crucifix, let me remind you, is a universal symbol that reminds people of the crucifixion of Christ and it is not an RC symbol ONLY. There were even other religion who use the symbol of the cross.

Just because the very religious community so happens to be the RC ang ni react doesnt mean also na the rest of the CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS approved SAME S3X marriage . Tell me kinsay CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS ang ni approve ani other than claimed na denominations but in reality kay KULTO ra diay . Wala na silay labot .

Ngano wrong man? Maayo kaha nga magpakalalake bisan dili jud mahimo? Unsa amoa na lang buangon amoa self ug ang mga tawo? Akoa na man tingali gi post diri before unsay usa sa mga posible nga mahitabo if pugson jud nimo ang usa ka tawo nga mamahimong 'different person' from what he really is.

And as I have repeatedly stated also , ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE US but while you are still alive , you can not remove the fact that the beliefs of the church out of the doctrines states that HOMOSEXUALITY is a SIN .

Wala sad ko kahibawo nila ha, but sa akoang pagsabot, mas lisod ug mas dugay if magpaabot pa sila sa state nga ma approve ang same *** marriage. I am not even sure if acknowledged ba sa state ilaha union. Perhaps (if what they say on the site is true to their ideals) they want to show that the love of god is inclusive and indeed universal. That for me, is noble. Don't you agree?

I agree with you say in all aspects . But what happened to the EQUALITY you have been rooting for ?

Wala koy labot nila. I don't believe in marriage anymore so wala ko paki nila. I am only challenging your way or reasoning kay mura siya unfair sa tanan bayot and not just those nga gusto magpakasal for one reason or another.

You cant challenge my reasoning anymore because you are in denial . I already stated my stand a couple of times and you know it . Di lang nimo madawat .

That I love GAYS . I respect them but they better be using a different rite and I dont really care kapila na sila mag minyo .

OT:
Since you asked for it, then I will answer it. Moangkon ko nga if naay *** between two males dili jud kaayo malingaw/ma satisfy ang 'bottom' (slang term for the guy nga mo oral ug magpa anal) as opposed to 'top' (I guess kahibawo na mo unsa ni). But usually ang gay man jud ang bottom. So mas naay orgasm ang straight guy. [Mao na ang usa sa mga reasons ngano nasikat ang 'nilatch' (ang straight maoy mahimong 'bottom') but I don't do that either] So kung *** lang, dili jud ko masatisfy (physically).

Ahhh NELATCH hehehehe . Thanks for your briefed explanation BRAD . But still , dili ba applicable ang GIVER and TAKER na role which is RECIPROCAL ??

I am a psycho and a KSP. I admit that. Mao na mas ganahan pa ko nga naay attention from a straight guy nga friend or more than that. That for me, is real satisfaction.

And that my dear GAY FRIEND will never be called LOVE . You want to know a REAL LOVE STORY from a GAY GUY and his STAIGHT BF ? The very first night they had S3X , wala gyud KWARTA involved girl . Until now , wala gihapon because they do the deed out of LOVE . And that part of the act and the people behind it ? mas maka ingon pa ko na if kaslon man gani sila , why not . They are indeed soul mates .

Disclaimer: Unless on certain times nga taas imoha libido, kay tawo ra sab baya ko. If you know what I mean.

True , that is applicable to anyone and everyone .

Who or what determines what is appropriate?

The society who are morally right .

@BUTCHUKOY ....

And that is exactly the point why nag argue ta diri . We are arguing because we are discussing about RELIGION when in fact the HOMOSECUAL COMMUNITY is vying for EQUALITY and by such act , they are barking at the wrong tree .

@PINOY ...

Hehehehehe .... shudi pa olark

[Albrecht]

Ikaw nag sulti ana dili ako . What I only said was the APPROPRIATENESS . But since when nahitabo ang S3X sa male and female didnt involved sa P3NIS and VAGINA ? Pero kamong mga BAYOT kahibalo mo na mga wala moy TALIB , ipamugos gyud ninyo sa LUBOT . Thats where my adjective na TWISTED comes in . <<<OT: Ive seen porn movies nga ang babaye kay mo offer sad jud sa ilang Lubot. hehe...also..even not in porn movies..even in real life daghan jud ko nabaw an nga ang babaye ganahan sad sa lubot agian..single and married ni ha - ganahan man sad ang ubang babaye ani? d lang kay bayot ra hahahah!..kataw anan man ni oi.

mga girls disagree lang mo ha kung d ni tinuod..mao man ni gud akong nabaw an sa kadaghanan..as married couple daw kay dapat mo explore daw para ma sustain ang love..

hehe well lahi2 pud jud baya ang taw.. so naa juy ganahan sa behind paagion.. i think preference raman ni xa..

as for the gays unsaon man na wala may girl organ so limited jud ang m.offer.. ganahan man pud sila so it's also their preference.. and they also prefer male *** partners than females.. it's up to the person na ila natripan if mu-give in or not.. if mupatol sila or dili.. but lain lang pud jud ning uban gays kay mamugos pud jud sa ilang ganahan matripan na guys maski dili jud mupatol.. ang ako lang unta to respect each other lang jud.. respect the gays for their own preference, respect the guys for theirs and unta dili mamugos..

[3nZ0y]

Ang unsay sakto ? ANAL S3X ?

I did not expect this discussion would become to nasty...and should I say, CHEAP.

And how do you know who are the people in the STATE of GRACE ? Ikaw ra personally ? Do you like to hear a story ba lage about STATE of GRACE ? The fact remains that the moment a SAME S3X MARRIAGE occurs , its not a SECRET that both parties , the CELEBRANT and both the GROOMS knows that they are not in the STATE of GRACE .

Funny as it sound but wasn't it you who had been blabbering about the so-called state of grace? Guess I should be the one to ask:

how do you know who are the people in the STATE of GRACE ? Ikaw ra personally ?

BTW, you may keep the story about state of grace to yourself. Nawad-an na ko og gana.

But isnt it obvious that you are implying that nothing is being done to it ?

Am I really TOO inefficient in conveying my point or you are just gifted to read what I have exactly in mind and what I am really implying? Ikaw na lang kaha pag ako.

I stated my point fair enough. If you took it wrongly (whether deliberately or not), I guess there is nothing much I can do.

Just because the very religious community so happens to be the RC ang ni react doesnt mean also na the rest of the CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS approved SAME S3X marriage . Tell me kinsay CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS ang ni approve ani other than claimed na denominations but in reality kay KULTO ra diay . Wala na silay labot .

Guess I really suck in stating my point right. For the last time akoa i-clarify. I just wanted to know why RC reacted immediately when in fact it does not directly concern them. (Gawas na lang kung nalukop na sila pangangkon.) And NEVER ko niingon nga naay christian denominations nga ni support ana. Dunno know where you get that idea.

And enough with that kulto-kulto thing. You did not even answer my question as to why they are considered kulto, who has the say kung kinsa ang kulto ug kinsa ang dili and so on.

And as I have repeatedly stated also , ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE US but while you are still alive , you can not remove the fact that the beliefs of the church out of the doctrines states that HOMOSEXUALITY is a SIN .

And yet you keep on blabbing about the state of grace and about kabulastugan sa mga bayot? Speaking of h_p_cr_ _y...

I agree with you say in all aspects . But what happened to the EQUALITY you have been rooting for ?

This is ridiculous!

You cant challenge my reasoning anymore because you are in denial . I already stated my stand a couple of times and you know it . Di lang nimo madawat .

That I love GAYS . I respect them but they better be using a different rite and I dont really care kapila na sila mag minyo .

Seriously?

I am afraid that I don't need to. You just put yourself in an awkward situation when your logic seems to have been thrown out if the window in a desperate attempt to protect your church's stand.

It is even hard for me to believe your first sentence.

Ahhh NELATCH hehehehe . Thanks for your briefed explanation BRAD . But still , dili ba applicable ang GIVER and TAKER na role which is RECIPROCAL ??

I don't know why ni come up ning giver and taker when I was merely explaining why *** is not enough for me.

And that my dear GAY FRIEND will never be called LOVE . You want to know a REAL LOVE STORY from a GAY GUY and his STAIGHT BF ? The very first night they had S3X , wala gyud KWARTA involved girl . Until now , wala gihapon because they do the deed out of LOVE . And that part of the act and the people behind it ? mas maka ingon pa ko na if kaslon man gani sila , why not . They are indeed soul mates .

I did not even mention anything close to love. And do you mean to say nga walay kwarta involved sa guy-girl relationship? Preposterous...

The society who are morally right .

I definitely had a good laugh with this.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]I did not expect this discussion would become to nasty...and should I say, CHEAP.

Talk is cheap but the sharing of ideas is not . What is so cheap and nasty about ANAL S3X ?

Funny as it sound but wasn't it you who had been blabbering about the so-called state of grace? Guess I should be the one to ask:

BTW, you may keep the story about state of grace to yourself. Nawad-an na ko og gana.

Its your duty to know because mismo ang Holy See is prone to committing sins also because of the very simple reason na we are all HUMAN BEINGS .

Story ? Because if you will find out what I am about to share , you will be forced to believe what is the STATE of GRACE is all about maski how you interpret the story if tinuod ba or dili .

Am I really TOO inefficient in conveying my point or you are just gifted to read what I have exactly in mind and what I am really implying? Ikaw na lang kaha pag ako.

I stated my point fair enough. If you took it wrongly (whether deliberately or not), I guess there is nothing much I can do.

Then you stop SPECULATING . What is funny though , obvious man kaayo ka . These are not hidden secrets intawn , its been talked about locally , nationally and globally yet out of what ra man ? From the news we hear and watch from different mediums ? Really ... its not what we know .

Guess I really suck in stating my point right. For the last time akoa i-clarify. I just wanted to know why RC reacted immediately when in fact it does not directly concern them. (Gawas na lang kung nalukop na sila pangangkon.) And NEVER ko niingon nga naay christian denominations nga ni support ana. Dunno know where you get that idea.

That is the whole idea here . Review my statemnents and look at the big picture , dont confine your understanding on a small picture with all the biases you can come up with . Unsay labot nimo ug ang Romano Katoliko ang una ni react ? That only justifies sa " PAGPAKABANA " and dili " PAGPANGANGKON " .

And enough with that kulto-kulto thing. You did not even answer my question as to why they are considered kulto, who has the say kung kinsa ang kulto ug kinsa ang dili and so on.

Who says kins aang kulto ? The entity itself based on the definition of what is a CULT . Havent you read the explanation from the discussion with FAQ ? Just let me know lang if wala pa .

And yet you keep on blabbing about the state of grace and about kabulastugan sa mga bayot? Speaking of h_p_cr_ _y...

Whats the relevance of your statement intawn oi ? How many times do I have to keep on repeating myself talking about the DOCTRINES ? That you cant do nothing about it ? That I can only follow it by heart because I understood it ?

And these are the only things you can come up with ? RIGHTEOUSNESS and HYPOCRISY ? Now that is CHEAP. To start , I wasnt preaching , I am only sharing to you why such issues are being gathered here and the very reason why you can not accept the FACTS .

This is ridiculous!

What is RIDICULOUS about it ? You should direct your expression to the STATE and not to the CHURCH .

Seriously?

I am afraid that I don't need to. You just put yourself in an awkward situation when your logic seems to have been thrown out if the window in a desperate attempt to protect your church's stand.

It is even hard for me to believe your first sentence.

Because the respect I give to the HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY surpasses what they even expected . But all things has its boundaries . Thats the justifications why you are in DENIAL . Just accept the fact that nothing is wrong about being GAY , just act accordingly . Kay as much as you label us as HYPOCRITES and RIGHTEOUS ... mo sumbalik man na ninyo mga BAYOT na kunuhay tarong mo yet the moment mo gamit mo sa SACRAMENTS , same ra man gihapon na HYPOCRITES and mga RIGHTEOUS mo . That is why never use it against us because its not applicable at all . To the individuals yes but to the church , never.

I don't know why ni come up ning giver and taker when I was merely explaining why *** is not enough for me.

Dili ba ikaw ang ga storya about ang GAY naa s abottom ? LOL .

I did not even mention anything close to love. And do you mean to say nga walay kwarta involved sa guy-girl relationship? Preposterous...

Naa gihapon but out of NECESSITY . Sa GAY and GUY ? Its always been out of LUST . Remember that because it is true .

I definitely had a good laugh with this.

Its just a matter of acceptance because you were always in denial . So kinsa diay para nimo ang mo accept sa kahimtang ug sitwasyon sa unsay angay ?

That is why HOMOSEXUALITY is not TABOO anymore ebcause accepted namo sa society yet what is APPROPRIATE is still in the works what is right and what is wrong . Gets na nimo BRAD ?

3nZOy .... ayaw na pag likoy likoy .... why do you want ma LEGALIZED , ACCEPTED and HONORED ang SAME S3X MARRIAGE ? Ang imong answer lang ha and not what was being portrayed maski asa ka mo adto na supports the same s3x marriage .

[Elyu]

to all gay marriage supporters why not ask yourself if "unsay gamit sa imong ol*k?"

I lol'd when I read this on the previous pages. You can ask the same question for those practicing celibacy. You don't question a priest's CHOICE NOT TO USE his s3x organ yet why would you give a damn about a man's CHOICE TO USE and where they put theirs in?

medyo lisod man pud gud i.acknowledge ang lesbians coz unlike gays medyo hilom man ni sila..

Part of the reason some of the homos3xuals would rather stay in the closet is because of the discrimination and dehumanization thrown at them due to ignorance, intolerance and (mostly religious) bigotry.

Ironic how the Catholic Church prohibits GAY MARRIAGE and denies gays/lesbians the right to holy matrimony, while the Church itself remain MUM about the issue of GAY PRIESTS abusing little children, and seem to just brush it off every time the issue is shoved down their throats.

Talk about hypocrisy.

I agree. Not only mum though, they deliberately transferred these priests criminals to other parishes so they are able to repeat their crimes; forsaking justice and children's safety to protect their institution. Reminds me of this speech by Stephen Fry on

Catholic Obsession with S3x.

Imagine how it feels to be a loving, religious and peaceful gay couple wanting marriage in their church. You're told to love one another, YET your love's not enough for you to be viewed a normal, right and moral person in your religious community. Your love is NOT enough to have a family or be with your partner. The biggest immorality here is HATRED & BIGOTRY towards people who are different from you. Much akin to telling people to sit at the back of the bus because of the color of their skin. So my questions to those who are anti-gay marriage due to your religious convictions are:

Why should you limit other people's freedom on HOW to live their life, the s3x of WHO you should marry, simply because you have a different view on the physical expression of s3xuality? What is it that happens in the privacy of other people's bedrooms that makes you an authority on HOW and TO WHOM it should be done? And should YOU give a damn whether it was done in LUST or LOVE at all? Do these people's private lives have a direct and negative impact on your life? Ask yourselves again if these religious convictions make you a humane and rational person.

I don't know how it feels to be attracted to the same s3x, but I acknowledge that other people do. It's simply being empathetic to another person's need for intimacy, whether emotional or physical. That doesn't give me the audacity to make them change who they are, inhibit that attraction or tell them not to express it, simply to conform to what I deem "a state of grace".

Do the graceful thing and let people love whom they love in their own way.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ELYU ...

It has been repeatedly said for the nth time , HOMOSEXUALS could be the most loving , angelic , generous , etc people on earth but the fact still remains that as long as they are gay , it is a violation of the teachings of the church .

[FAQ]

It's funny actually that Springfield said that homosexuals "don't have the right to decide to have that 'union'" but he's alright if they get married to another another church or to civil court . He even said he'll support same-*** marriage if eventually there will be a single same-*** couple to get married in a Civil Court , and then he'll even have to support for same-*** marriage in a church wedding . I thought this is the most contradicting thing I've ever read here . But , but ,but ... although he said that MCC is using the RC's sacrament of matrimony and it's an insult to RC and its flock for using it . Then what's the point of "supporting them all the way to a church wedding" when you're really insulted ? Again , he has a very contradicting ish . Why would you even support same-*** marriage in the first place if you think marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman ? He even said he doesn't condemn homosexuals , but he's telling everyone here for all to see that being a homosexual is already wrong and they'll never be normal individuals . This man is a walking contradiction .

If your God is so against homosexuality and same-*** marriage then you have to be against both completely or else you're disobeying him and not living the "Christian life" . Ex . Even though you're against Euthanasia but you can't claim yourself as a PRO-LIFE when at the same time you're in favor of abortion . It's makes your beliefs very contradicting . Apparently , that is Springfield .

He said that they (same-*** couples) can marry if they want to for he doesn't really care as long as they would build their own church , but he has - as he claimed to have - 127 posts on this thread bitching about how homosexuality , and same-*** marriage is morally wrong because it's "not accepted in the bible where the doctrines are based at" and he even goes on to speculating that this same-*** church MCC is a cult creating "loopholes and technicalities" and adopting the RC's marriage doctrines for the purpose of lust . Oooops by the way , he claimed his statements are not influenced by the Bible . Another contradiction !! Hmmmm ...

Never on his post he presented at least one legit proof as to why the MCC and its flock are only up for lust and the church is a cult . They already have their own church , and presumably has its own rites , so then why you still have to continue posting your distaste in same-*** marriage ? Oh I see ... now that they have their church , next thing you do is to bash its credibility by saying it's a cult ,accuse them of "piracy" , and they're only up for lust . That looks like a disrespect towards them contrary to your claims that you are not against these types of individuals (the non-normal individuals, per se) . He is accusing the MCC of "pirating" the RC but he seems ok about the Anglican church (they're also "pirating" the RC) - that was founded by King Henry Tudor VIII because the Vatican won't allow him to divorce Katherine of Aragon . But that besides the bigger picture .

He said the gays and the lesbians are "suffering (from discrimination by the RC and its flock) because of their lifestyle not because of who they are" . Isn't it lifestyle defines who you are ? Political , social , fashion , health , spiritual and etc ... If one has an active in social lifestyle , he/she is an outgoing , happy , and cheerful person .. that defines who he/she is . If one has a same-*** banger lifestyle , aside from being attracted to same *** , he thinks and acts like women would do , that's why you call them gay/faggot/homo which what become who he is . Sometimes checking into your dictionary is a good time investment .

Springfield is not only a walking contradiction , but he's also a bigot . His aggressiveness against gays and lesbians knocking for equality is very dumbfounded as if he is their God's right hand guy . He based his opinions from Canon Law and doctrines that are mainly based from that bronze-age book . See how closed-minded this man is . Acting as being the righteous guy claiming he doesn't hate homosexuals is not at all convincing knowing that he said being a homosexual is wrong .

To all homosexuals and lesbians out there ... don't be afraid to be who you are . I believe spreading love (I know bigots would see this in a sexual way) , tolerance , and respect makes this world a better place . Religion is the real threat in our society . We are divided because of religion . Wars , killings , persecution , and discrimination ignited because of religion . See how these contrary as what they claimed that religion creates unity , safety , comfort ? IF religion never existed we probably won't face any of these problems . Instead religion gave people delusions of good afterlife if you follow GOD and obey all his commands . I advise y'all to ignore them cuz' clearly being a bigot and ignorant made them become an attention whore .

PEACE TO ALL .