THE POPE underfire!!!

[weedmeister2]

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YOur crude attempt to connect the Pope with the atrocities of the Spaniards is a , PURE SPECULATION, MALICIOUS MISINFORMATION, and a GROSS DECEPTION!

Islam itself sanctioned the use of the sword to spread the faith but for Catholicism it is not the case. The Vatican did not in any way sanctioned the use of force to compel people to embrace Christianity. Give me an encyclical that authorizes that method of conversion and I will immediately renounce my being Catholic.

The inquisitions were judicial institutions or tribunals that were established by the Roman Catholic Church in order to seek out, try, and sentence people that the Roman Catholic Church believed to be guilty of heresy. Their purpose was to secure and maintain religious and doctorial unity in the Roman Catholic Church and throughout the Roman Empire through either the conversion or persecution of alleged heretics. Historians generally categorize or distinguish the inquisitions based on four different time frames and areas that they took place in. These are: The Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition, The Spanish Inquisition, The Portuguese Inquisition, and the Roman Inquisition.

Prior to the founding of the Roman Catholic Church and the establishment of their version of Christianity as the official state religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th century, the punishment for heresy among Christians was usually excommunication from the church. However with the marriage of church and state that arose in the 4th Century, people that the Roman Catholic Church considered to be heretics also came to be considered as enemies of the state and were subject to many forms of extreme punishment including death. But it wasn’t until the 12th century that official inquisitions were organized and sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church to officially deal with what they saw as a rise in organized heretical groups within the Roman Empire.

The first of the Inquisitions is known as the Medieval or Episcopal Inquisition and refers to the various inquisitions that started around 1184. It includes the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230), as well as the Papal Inquisition (1230), which arose in response to large popular movements in Europe that were considered to be heretical by the Roman Catholic Church. It was during this time (1231) that Pope Gregory IX shifted the power to punish heretics away from the local bishops and put the inquisitors under the special jurisdiction and authority of the papacy. He also established severe penalties for those found guilty of committing heresy and his decree set forth new guidelines for investigating and punishing heresy in the Roman Empire. Generally when an Inquisition was set up to investigate heresy in a particular area of the Roman Empire, the Pope would appoint two inquisitors, each of which had equal authority in the Inquisition or tribunal. Because these inquisitors had the power to investigate and excommunicate even princes they yielded enormous power and influence in the Roman Empire.

While some of the inquisitors had reputations as being men of justice and mercy, others were known to subject people to cruel and unusual punishment, including many different kinds of torture, which is what the inquisitions are generally remembered for. Because they could imprison suspects that they thought were lying, some inquisitors used torture as an attempt to get them to admit what the inquisitor wanted to hear. In 1252 Pope Innocent IV officially sanctioned torture as a way of extracting the “truth” from suspects. Prior to that time this type of extreme punishment was foreign to church tradition and practice. During the Spanish Inquisition alone some historians estimate that as many as 2,000 people were burned at the stake within one decade after the inquisition began.


http://www.gotquestions.org/inquisitions.html
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...quisition.html




So, when are we scheduling your renouncement?

[istoryador]

Where is the encyclical sanctioning Catholics to strap bombs on their bodies to blow up people? All you have are assumptions, speculations, half truths, black propaganda etc.

And everytime we speak about violence committed by the Catholic Church, your mind suddenly warped to the 10th century and recall the Inquisition. What a pity. Inquisition has become the scapegoat of your bankrupt anti Catholic rantings( which your religion feeds on to sustain adherents)

I am asking you if TODAY, violence is really sanctioned by the Pope.

Christians get as deeply offended by an atheist artist depicting Jesus crucified in a jar of urine, or by a picture of Mary, His Mother, made out of dung, just as much as Muslims get offended by someone ridiculing or berating the Prophet, but unlike Muslims, the Christians of "TODAY" don't go out there and blow themselves up inside the Art gallery where these works are being displayed, or burn the building housing the Art gallery down, or kill innocent passers by who had the misfortune to have happened to be in the vicinity of the building!!!

And I stressed the "today" because I know that you, along with the "secularists" who love to bash Christianity, will argue: "Oh, but what about the Inquisition of 200 years ago, or the Crusades of 800 years ago, or the persecution of Jews and Muslims in Spain of 514 years ago"- all of which are in the PAST! While the "Muslim" Radical Islamist terrorists and suicide bombers, such as the ones responsible for 9/11, the Madrid Railway Station attacks, the London terrorist bombings, and those responsible for the daily diet of violence, carnage, and gore we see day to day in Iraq and all over the world, are committing such atrocities TODAY!!!

[Freeza]

Where is the encyclical sanctioning Catholics to strap bombs on their bodies to blow up people? All you have are assumptions, speculations, half truths, black propaganda etc.

err we got a share of "chatholic terrorist" like the IRA ....

lets face it nobody is clean especially about that spread the faith by the sword in the past, naiveness and superstition is still predominant. BUt many religions have already evolve and change thru time, these things like the death to the infidels crap, fundamentalist and radicals view of a religion like issueing a religios death warrant to an author for writing a book like the satanic verses, or a critique caricature or cartoon in a newspaper are an example of primativeness at worst savages.

we are in a free and enlighten world now, if a woman wants to wear a burqa fine but if she wants to wear shortpants she is free to do so.

[istoryador]

err we got a share of "chatholic terrorist" like the IRA ....

lets face it nobody is clean especially about that spread the faith by the sword in the past, naiveness and superstition is still predominant. BUt many religions have already evolve and change thru time, these things like the death to the infidels crap, fundamentalist and radicals view of a religion like issueing a religios death warrant to an author for writing a book like the satanic verses, or a critique caricature or cartoon in a newspaper are an example of primativeness at worst savages.

we are in a free and enlighten world now, if a woman wants to wear a burqa fine but if she wants to wear shortpants she is free to do so.

IRA is not religious based. Its a nationalist revolutionary movement composed of Catholics.

You are wrong again. What I want to know is whether a group that is officially sanctioned by the Vatican to kill people because of the faith exists.

[Freeza]

IRA is not religious based. Its a nationalist revolutionary movement composed of Catholics.

You are wrong again. What I want to know is whether a group that is officially sanctioned by the Vatican to kill people because of the faith exists.

it got religious causes too though it's more of political and OT nationalist revolutionary dont kill civillians or use bombs on crowded places

yap im wrong if your talking about the present or the 18, 19 centuries but as i said about the past we got a share just like any religion of religious bigotry and death to the indifidel crap which is base on faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_V

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_IX

i dont want to eleborate further im just saying the past is the past

[weedmeister2]

@Istoryador: You did not clearly state "TODAY" when you asked your original question, that is why i answered you with the inquisition... remember, we were talking about the spaniards when they first came to the Philippines... was that just yesterday...? hmmm?

And why should we not look to the past, when it is from there that we learn what we need for the future? As Carl Sagan said "You have to know the past to understand the present."

Anyhow, its up to you if you want to live in your world, where your pope is almighty, and where all the atrocities that the vatican has done is in the past... but remember this ---> the present will soon be the past, and whatever is covered up now, will come to light.... :mrgreen:


By the way, don't even talk about the "gore we see day to day in Iraq", because if another country took over ours and raped our sisters and mothers and killed our brothers and fathers, I don't know about you, but i would be fighting them to the death too.

[sister maria]

Quote from: tackielarla on September 22, 2006, 05:33:41 PM
Point is, Jesus NEVER said anything to preach Christianity by the sword. And that's a fact. Mohammed DID preach to spread Islam by the sword. Check the Bible and the Q'ran and you will see the differences...

Hey!

I am asking for proof. Let the proof be provided. Let it be that I may be provided a proof I could verify. This forum insisted on every poster providing links whenever necessary. I believe this is necessary.

Proof, please.

@tackierla - you can link the whole bible and q'uran for dacs.