Vice Mayor Rodrigo Duterte flashes dirty finger at media critics

[yiennahs]

Part of the law. LOL. Alright, convince me more. Give them chance to change? Just because it's petty crimes, they can get away with it? Now where's the point of big things comes from small beginnings when we give small cases nth chances? Now that's what is right.

I honestly don't think we will meet in the middle because you live by law I live my reality. So I guess that's it. By the end of this all, the law's unchanged as well as the reality.

nope i do not really want to convince you because i don't have a plan of proving you anything I just have this principle that we do not have to settle for mediocrity just because the world we live in is harsh and full of crimes and negative things. Just because the people are becoming immoral does not mean we have to adapt and become one of them.

Just because people commit crime does not mean we have to tolerate those who are killing them.
Just because the mayor is great does not mean he has every right to insult people.

We are supposed to be the hope of the nation because of our ideals diba? We can live doing what is right. Are not we suppose to start by the little things we do? Are not those countless little good things makes us who we are?

You are defined by what you believe in because it is in what you believe that defines your principles and your actions as well. Yes the world is harsh, it's dirty and full of violence... but i do not have to be violent for me to survive.

If we do good things and of we treat people with respect, they treat us the same. How do people become criminals? Are we not supposed to know how they become first before we judge them? Di ba this is the way for us to know how to stop them? Killing them does not solve anything. The more you kill the more it is easier for you to kill and the more you become evil. What does that make of you? A powerful man?

Criminals are still human beings. Those who do small crimes do not have to be sentenced for life because if we do it that way, we will deprive them of their right to live and change. If they still do it then a bigger punishment is given. If all crimes are punished by death sentence of life imprisonment... what kind of person are you? it would not matter any more of committing small crimes, let's just kill everybody.

We don't have to settle for the less evil to live a meaningful life and a great person is never someone to be feared but someone to be respected.

[monroy]

^ nindota sa imong post uy.. I'll add one thing to consider... if all crimes result in the death penalty, no matter how small, then that would encourage people with criminal tendencies to do the worst crimes possible. Why would a criminal settle for petty thievery when the penalty is the same as robbing a bank at gunpoint? or dealing drugs? As some earlier posts suggested, Davao has a worsening drug problem that is by some accounts already worse than Cebu. That could be the manifestation of this phenomenon, I mean its only logical that criminals will commit crimes that provide the best risk/reward ratio...

And I'd say that a great leader is one who inspires people to fear the law and builds up institutions for enforcing the law rather than destroying them.

[Baeybe_Bryce]

naunsa naman ni oie. What the heck are you trying to advocate anyway? Just because it's petty crimes they are gonna get away with it? Who said they are getting away with it? They are being penalized under law under the provisions that penalizes their crime commensurate to its seriousness. Are you seriously advocating the same penalty (death) for all crimes? How about death penalty for stupidity? Let's take that argument to its crazy conclusion.

Secondly, I don't know if this argument can continue I think I've pretty much said all there is to say. And that is that we have a law, and those who insist on violating it are lawless criminals, irrespective of their morals or principles. The law doesn't distinguish between principled violations and unprincipled violations, and neither will I. Besides which, if it is against the law then it is prima facie unprincipled and without morals. What is against the law is immoral because the law is what society agreed upon through democratic process what is right or wrong. As individuals we don't have that choice if we want to be a part of society but to obey the law at all levels.

And what are you talking about Erap again and Duterte being a mere mayor. Your argument in the first place is we should disregard the law when convenient because the law failed us when Erap was set free. That to me shows a very shallow understanding of what happened. In fact the law didn't fail us, the President did. Erap was convicted under law, even to the Supreme Court and sentenced to life behind bars. The Presidential pardon, while legal, is the prerogative of the President. Like I said, you can disagree with the end result but you cannot disagree with the law. That's why Erap is free, because PGMA made that decision. Not because the law failed because in that case the process resulted in a conviction.

Then what you did is take that case and extrapolate it to all criminal cases to put forward as a reason why we should rely on vigilante killings instead of due process. That's where I call bullshit. You're taking that one extraordinary case and expanding it to encompass all cases including petty theft which is plain OA and exaggerating! As if all, or even most criminals get Presidential pardons or get a free ticket out of jail. Like I said, go see a jail why don't you and see for yourself if people are really not staying behind bars coz if you're right then why are our jails filled beyond capacity??

LOL you're getting serious now, aren't you?

I have first hand knowledge of who these DDS are.. they are mostly ex-NPA because Duterte has had a very long relationship with the NPA and is known to have several bodyguards who used to be NPA rebels.

Can you tell us more about it? Hmm, that's quite a knowledge. First hand as you may say. Now, what have you done to eliminate these criminals? You know the law then you're supposed to enforce it. Speak out who they are so we will see credibility on you fighting for the law. For what is right.

If only Davao has a choice it would not end up this way. Anyone who thinks he can be that "change" in Davao, be that choice.

First, I don't tolerate neither support them but I understand them. I don't think that makes me immoral. If you still don't get it, okay, you can imprison them all for I don't really mind when your law says so. My understanding of them will never be changed unless I know something first hand.

Second, after they're convicted, what else do you think will happen? Any expectations? I don't care how you enforce the law,just make me believe the law will refrain them from doing it again.


Lastly, you live for what you believe in. I watch Superman, Batman, Iron man, Transformers and of it's kinds. I believe in fair and square, putting justice in their own hands to protect the life of others.(Don't compare them to DDS though, you know, they're weaker than the justice league.)

I'm honestly happy and relieved when they win over the bad ones. That's just me. I believe in karma though. Are you also a fan of them?

And I don't think that makes me bad, neither believe that this argument will do me any good. So if you have anything else to discuss with me, I'm open to PMs.

[Baeybe_Bryce]

nope i do not really want to convince you because i don't have a plan of proving you anything I just have this principle that we do not have to settle for mediocrity just because the world we live in is harsh and full of crimes and negative things. Just because the people are becoming immoral does not mean we have to adapt and become one of them.

Just because people commit crime does not mean we have to tolerate those who are killing them.
Just because the mayor is great does not mean he has every right to insult people.

We are supposed to be the hope of the nation because of our ideals diba? We can live doing what is right. Are not we suppose to start by the little things we do? Are not those countless little good things makes us who we are?

You are defined by what you believe in because it is in what you believe that defines your principles and your actions as well. Yes the world is harsh, it's dirty and full of violence... but i do not have to be violent for me to survive.

If we do good things and of we treat people with respect, they treat us the same. How do people become criminals? Are we not supposed to know how they become first before we judge them? Di ba this is the way for us to know how to stop them? Killing them does not solve anything. The more you kill the more it is easier for you to kill and the more you become evil. What does that make of you? A powerful man?

Criminals are still human beings. Those who do small crimes do not have to be sentenced for life because if we do it that way, we will deprive them of their right to live and change. If they still do it then a bigger punishment is given. If all crimes are punished by death sentence of life imprisonment... what kind of person are you? it would not matter any more of committing small crimes, let's just kill everybody.

We don't have to settle for the less evil to live a meaningful life and a great person is never someone to be feared but someone to be respected.

I don't know, still appears ideal to me, it's like Cory Aquino doing her speech. I want to believe it though, maybe next time when I can see it right before my very eyes.

[yiennahs]

I don't know, still appears ideal to me, it's like Cory Aquino doing her speech. I want to believe it though, maybe next time when I can see it right before my very eyes.

lol
most of the people here have the same ideas as you but let's just say i want to make a difference. I don't have to live with the harsh reality if i can cope up with a good reality. I still believe in goodness that's why i like 100 Days hehehe

you are how you see the world
if you think it as ugly then you are going to do ugly things
but if you see it as something beautiful then you do beautiful things
actually this is not being idealistic
it is seeing brighter things
if all people will try to see the brighter side of life
then we will live harmoniously
let's learn to appreciate what comes along and not be selfish enough to do things just to satisfy ourselves
I really do not agree with Duterte laying a dirty finger on anybody
a great person does not have to lay a dirty finger just to express himself and his power.. If he is really that great then he does not have to prove that to anybody. Everybody knows it already.

[ambotani21]

debate huh?

there is no good if there is no bad..

bottomline... PROTECT THE GREATER GOOD

[gatsby]

wala pa japon mo nahuman ani? mura man mug korek oi. file ngad2 kaw ug complaint. lelz.

i mean hello? don't you guys have better things to do other than watch over this lame thread over and over again? @___@

gikan na sa sunstar dili kay own opinion ra. unya mao nay walay criminal? toinkz! tugpa sa mo oi, ayaw palabi.

watch over this lame thread? i believe were on the same boat, are we?

by the way nag read ka sa article? murag wala lagi nimo na igo ako buti pasabot, unsay complain ba? lol... mo complain ko why daghan or ni saka ang krimen sa Davao run? pasabta daw ko. hehehehehe.

[gatsby]

ok njoy..........

OT: dapat mag enjoy pud ka kay gusto man kaha nimo i compare ang duha ka syudad, right? didto ipagawas imong gibati bro. hehehe

[Baeybe_Bryce]

lol
most of the people here have the same ideas as you but let's just say i want to make a difference. I don't have to live with the harsh reality if i can cope up with a good reality. I still believe in goodness that's why i like 100 Days hehehe

you are how you see the world
if you think it as ugly then you are going to do ugly things
but if you see it as something beautiful then you do beautiful things
actually this is not being idealistic
it is seeing brighter things
if all people will try to see the brighter side of life
then we will live harmoniously
let's learn to appreciate what comes along and not be selfish enough to do things just to satisfy ourselves
I really do not agree with Duterte laying a dirty finger on anybody
a great person does not have to lay a dirty finger just to express himself and his power.. If he is really that great then he does not have to prove that to anybody. Everybody knows it already.

Not with dirty finger. Wash hands very often, bawal magkasakit Shane.

The bright side of this all is, I get to live a normal life. I am my own difference. **grouphug

[yiennahs]

Not with dirty finger. Wash hands very often, bawal magkasakit Shane.

The bright side of this all is, I get to live a normal life. I am my own difference. **grouphug

OT. grouphug eh?

the world is like a wheel brycee donchatink?

anyways i'd better not put too much OT cause i don't like infractions

see you around