Vice Mayor Rodrigo Duterte flashes dirty finger at media critics

[Baeybe_Bryce]

Reality bites but it does not have to keep us from doing what is moral. Reality will not make you a disabled person unless you are blinded by it.

Reality wakes you up then you decide what kind of person you will be every day.

Everyone seems to talk much about morality when everyone is guilty of breaking it. Since nth century people point out what's moral and what's not but see where we're going?

What's moral nowadays? Geez. The battle is never about right or wrong, but evil vs lesser evil. Idealist vs realist.

[yiennahs]

Reality wakes you up then you decide what kind of person you will be every day.

Everyone seems to talk much about morality when everyone is guilty of breaking it. Since nth century people point out what's moral and what's not but see where we're going?

What's moral nowadays? Geez. The battle is never about right or wrong, but evil vs lesser evil. Idealist vs realist.

People seem to be only seeing what's lesser evil because that's what they choose to see. If you don't ever think of doing what's right then you would not ever make it as a choice. Reality is what you choose to see and for people who are just seeing the lesser evil as the option will likely choose it. I am not saying that the government should be this or that or anything. What i am saying is that what if people fail to see what's good then they will likely live with the lesser evil. It all starts with small evil things and that's how you will shape your future. No wonder people will end up being criminals.

[Baeybe_Bryce]

People seem to be only seeing what's lesser evil because that's what they choose to see. If you don't ever think of doing what's right then you would not ever make it as a choice. I am not saying that the government should be this or that or anything. What i am saying is that what if people fail to see what's good then they will likely live with the lesser evil.

Because there is no such thing as perfection. Good is what? lesser evil in one way or another. The govt should and ought to live by law as you say. Law is for what is right. You have to live by that? So can we now consider people who kills to protect themselves killers? So should I call the military killers? -they killed someone and that against the law- Just because they are enforcing the law they are not murderers? Is that it? There's is always an exemption to the law. Exemptions. Loopholes.The law that doesn't choose whom to protect to because everyone is protected more or less. See the point?

Reality is what you choose to see and for people who are just seeing the lesser evil as the option will likely choose it.

No reality is not what you choose to see, because you don't choose the reality. It's right in front of your face. It's idealism, if you don't mind. The power to choose what to believe in, on what ideas to live after.

It all starts with small evil things and that's how you will shape your future. No wonder people will end up being criminals.

Good point. Then why is bail mentioned under the law of land? Petty crimes like holdup,physical injury,thief can be bailed out, small crimes isn't it? it all starts there right? Then tell me why give them an option to be free? That doesn't make sense to me.

No wonder why people will end up being criminals because the manipulation of law allows it.

[monroy]

You think perfect of the law that we have in this country. That it is as solid as a rock. So ideal. You failed to see the other side of reality because you stick to your law. The law that tells you what is right or wrong. By the book.

Loool.. basaha intawon og tarong day.. I never said I think the law is perfect, I even said it may not be perfect, but the solution to imperfections in our law is not to violate it. The solution is to change it by lobbying your Congressman. Unsa man diay imong gusto nga sultion nako nga OK ra i-violate ang law kung wa ka mo-uyon kai matud pa lagi nimo walay resulta? I will never say that, so give up nalang

Might as well prepare yourself, that if ever this man will be found guilty, give it few year and you will see his face up wandering around like a free. That's what law we're talking about. You tell me what law will convict him and years from now another law will set him free. Ironic isn't it?

Hahaha.. I think you are really exaggerating things. Just because of what happened to Erap all of a sudden now you think our law is a total failure? muhahaa.. come on. Have you seen our prisons? If what you say is true and criminals are being set free by the dozens why the heck are our prisons overflowing? Is it because you are exaggerating reality just to prove your point? People are going to prison and staying there in accordance to our laws. Hahaii.. are you talking about the possibility that suspects can be acquitted sometimes? Of course they can! That's the point of having a justice system and rule of law. If someone is a suspect that doesn't mean they are 100% guilty.. toink

You see the power of law? Estrada and Jinggoy, such perfect examples. Condemned but free.

Lol, you cite one or two examples again and all of a sudden the law is some piece of trash that you can just throw away into a garbage can. Such baloney...

Am no telling that he is right, that he is not the person you think he is. What I've been trying to tell you is not to dwell much on the that law. You talk about the law that protects us but also the same law that releases our abusers. Perfections at it's finest.

No system in the world is perfect, maybe you are under the illusion that in first world countries everybody who is guilty goes to jail. The system isn't perfect, but it is the better alternative to the law of the gun and the law of dictatorship. If you suggested such a thing in a first world country, to abolish the law in favor of vigilante killings, they would commit you to an insane asylum. Such is the respect for rule of law in those countries, and why they are successful and we are not. You keep providing excuses for violating the law instead of obeying it and expecting our leaders to obey it.

You telling me what law is, but I just told you what reality is. You talk about the institutional law but that's what I don't see around. Try reality check?

What reality? The exaggerated reality based on 1 or 2 cases you cited? Lol...

You think that law can save Davao from it's abusers? Well, maybe, but it could have been implemented by the time that book of law was written so it wouldn't have ended like this. What happened to a lot of decades lost? Now where' the law?

It can save it from its #1 abusers, the DDS. Did you forget that what they are doing is murder under the law? Isn't that abuse? Why do you not consider violation of our law to be abuse? Toink.. don't be hypocrite.

You don't want vigilantes protecting Davao? Now give them a choice. A lawful choice.

Hahaha, that's the mistake you are making. That is not protection, only its illusion.

I understand your frustration with our law, and I won't deny there's a lot of problems there. But if we all just relied on vigilante killings, then those problems will never be solved, because we will become dependent on just going above the law whenever we need to. Then we'll never have true law and order in this country, is that what you want?

[yiennahs]

Because there is no such thing as perfection. Good is what? lesser evil in one way or another. The govt should and ought to live by law as you say. Law is for what is right. You have to live by that? So can we now consider people who kills to protect themselves killers? So should I call the military killers? -they killed someone and that against the law- Just because they are enforcing the law they are not murderers? Is that it? There's is always an exemption to the law. Exemptions. Loopholes.The law that doesn't choose whom to protect to because everyone is protected more or less. See the point?



No reality is not what you choose to see, because you don't choose the reality. It's right in front of your face. It's idealism, if you don't mind. The power to choose what to believe in, on what ideas to live after.



Good point. Then why is bail mentioned under the law of land? Petty crimes like holdup,physical injury,thief can be bailed out, small crimes isn't it? it all starts there right? Then tell me why give them an option to be free? That doesn't make sense to me.

No wonder why people will end up being criminals because the manipulation of law allows it.

Because there is no such thing as perfection. Good is what? lesser evil in one way or another. The govt should and ought to live by law as you say. Law is for what is right. You have to live by that? So can we now consider people who kills to protect themselves killers? So should I call the military killers? -they killed someone and that against the law- Just because they are enforcing the law they are not murderers? Is that it? There's is always an exemption to the law. Exemptions. Loopholes.The law that doesn't choose whom to protect to because everyone is protected more or less. See the point?

You don't have to be perfect to become good. Good is doing what is right and within the law. Those armies who are doing their job with in the law are not killers. Those armies are different from DDS. You just can't order someone to kill criminals. That is not with in the law.

[yiennahs]

Because there is no such thing as perfection. Good is what? lesser evil in one way or another. The govt should and ought to live by law as you say. Law is for what is right. You have to live by that? So can we now consider people who kills to protect themselves killers? So should I call the military killers? -they killed someone and that against the law- Just because they are enforcing the law they are not murderers? Is that it? There's is always an exemption to the law. Exemptions. Loopholes.The law that doesn't choose whom to protect to because everyone is protected more or less. See the point?



No reality is not what you choose to see, because you don't choose the reality. It's right in front of your face. It's idealism, if you don't mind. The power to choose what to believe in, on what ideas to live after.



Good point. Then why is bail mentioned under the law of land? Petty crimes like holdup,physical injury,thief can be bailed out, small crimes isn't it? it all starts there right? Then tell me why give them an option to be free? That doesn't make sense to me.

No wonder why people will end up being criminals because the manipulation of law allows it.

No reality is not what you choose to see, because you don't choose the reality. It's right in front of your face. It's idealism, if you don't mind. The power to choose what to believe in, on what ideas to live after.

reality is what you are living. It's how you live your life. It's how you stand up with your principle. It's how you judge according to your belief. It's how you treat others. It's how you make your ideals into action.

[yiennahs]

Because there is no such thing as perfection. Good is what? lesser evil in one way or another. The govt should and ought to live by law as you say. Law is for what is right. You have to live by that? So can we now consider people who kills to protect themselves killers? So should I call the military killers? -they killed someone and that against the law- Just because they are enforcing the law they are not murderers? Is that it? There's is always an exemption to the law. Exemptions. Loopholes.The law that doesn't choose whom to protect to because everyone is protected more or less. See the point?



No reality is not what you choose to see, because you don't choose the reality. It's right in front of your face. It's idealism, if you don't mind. The power to choose what to believe in, on what ideas to live after.



Good point. Then why is bail mentioned under the law of land? Petty crimes like holdup,physical injury,thief can be bailed out, small crimes isn't it? it all starts there right? Then tell me why give them an option to be free? That doesn't make sense to me.

No wonder why people will end up being criminals because the manipulation of law allows it.

Good point. Then why is bail mentioned under the law of land? Petty crimes like holdup,physical injury,thief can be bailed out, small crimes isn't it? it all starts there right? Then tell me why give them an option to be free? That doesn't make sense to me.

No wonder why people will end up being criminals because the manipulation of law allows it.

sorry di ko kabaw mo multiquote lol

It's part of the law. Small crimes are given lighter punishment. We have to give other people a chance to change themselves, to prove to us that they still have the right to live.

[Baeybe_Bryce]

Loool.. basaha intawon og tarong day.. I never said I think the law is perfect, I even said it may not be perfect, but the solution to imperfections in our law is not to violate it. The solution is to change it by lobbying your Congressman. Unsa man diay imong gusto nga sultion nako nga OK ra i-violate ang law kung wa ka mo-uyon kai matud pa lagi nimo walay resulta? I will never say that, so give up nalang

LOL, that's beside the point. You're not getting me, really. Sorry if that's unclear. I'm no arguing with you if you want them behind bars, well just see if that law will keep 'em there until they die. No one can tell, not even your law.

Hahaha.. I think you are really exaggerating things. Just because of what happened to Erap all of a sudden now you think our law is a total failure? muhahaa.. come on.

Erap? Exaggerate? Geez, he's a president and the person were talking about here is just a Mayor? Who's the one exaggerating?Oh come'on.

Have you seen our prisons? If what you say is true and criminals are being set free by the dozens why the heck are our prisons overflowing? Is it because you are exaggerating reality just to prove your point? People are going to prison and staying there in accordance to our laws. Hahaii.. are you talking about the possibility that suspects can be acquitted sometimes? Of course they can! That's the point of having a justice system and rule of law. If someone is a suspect that doesn't mean they are 100% guilty.. toink

That's the point. The law protects the abusers and the victims. The law that gave justice to the victims can be used to release the suspects. Contrasting isn't it? When law talks about what is right. You see the offenders released by law. Law is not always on what is right but what is justifiable. It's situational. Deal with it.

Now how sure are you that the law will keep Duterte away from Davao?

Lol, you cite one or two examples again and all of a sudden the law is some piece of trash that you can just throw away into a garbage can. Such baloney...

LOL, speaking of. It's not a trash, really, it's just unconvincing if I may say.

No system in the world is perfect, maybe you are under the illusion that in first world countries everybody who is guilty goes to jail. The system isn't perfect, but it is the better alternative to the law of the gun and the law of dictatorship. If you suggested such a thing in a first world country, to abolish the law in favor of vigilante killings, they would commit you to an insane asylum. Such is the respect for rule of law in those countries, and why they are successful and we are not. You keep providing excuses for violating the law instead of obeying it and expecting our leaders to obey it.

Now you're saying that the law isn't as perfect but you tell me earlier to live with it? Just follow it because it's there? Where's the sense?

How many times do I have to tell you that I'm not fighting for those vigilantes. You want them gone? FINE. But give Davao the law that they deserve. You talk idealistically but you can't even point out what law can save Davao from what state they are in right now.

It can save it from its #1 abusers, the DDS. Did you forget that what they are doing is murder under the law? Isn't that abuse? Why do you not consider violation of our law to be abuse? Toink.. don't be hypocrite.

You want them to go back to where they are from? Okay. All law - before Dutertes. So lawful. Get those guys imprisoned. Let's see if the vigilant killing will stop or should I say if the crimes will stop.

Hahaha, that's the mistake you are making. That is not protection, only its illusion.

Illusion that is happening in real life. Ironic. You're so ideal, I just hope you live with that. That you yourself is not doing anything against the law that you believe in. Moral laws and institutional laws. Now I will live my reality. They can go to jail but the law you're fighting for cannot assure me that this will never happen again.


I've read somewhere, mind correcting me if it was not you, that you have this actual encounter, first hand info from DDS. I'm just curious to know if you lectured him about the law and did you advise him to stop?

[Baeybe_Bryce]

sorry di ko kabaw mo multiquote lol

It's part of the law. Small crimes are given lighter punishment. We have to give other people a chance to change themselves, to prove to us that they still have the right to live.

reality is what you are living. It's how you live your life. It's how you stand up with your principle. It's how you judge according to your belief. It's how you treat others. It's how you make your ideals into action.

Part of the law. LOL. Alright, convince me more. Give them chance to change? Just because it's petty crimes, they can get away with it? Now where's the point of big things comes from small beginnings when we give small cases nth chances? Now that's what is right.

I honestly don't think we will meet in the middle because you live by law I live my reality. So I guess that's it. By the end of this all, the law's unchanged as well as the reality.

[monroy]

naunsa naman ni oie. What the heck are you trying to advocate anyway? Just because it's petty crimes they are gonna get away with it? Who said they are getting away with it? They are being penalized under law under the provisions that penalizes their crime commensurate to its seriousness. Are you seriously advocating the same penalty (death) for all crimes? How about death penalty for stupidity? Let's take that argument to its crazy conclusion.

Secondly, I don't know if this argument can continue I think I've pretty much said all there is to say. And that is that we have a law, and those who insist on violating it are lawless criminals, irrespective of their morals or principles. The law doesn't distinguish between principled violations and unprincipled violations, and neither will I. Besides which, if it is against the law then it is prima facie unprincipled and without morals. What is against the law is immoral because the law is what society agreed upon through democratic process what is right or wrong. As individuals we don't have that choice if we want to be a part of society but to obey the law at all levels.

And what are you talking about Erap again and Duterte being a mere mayor. Your argument in the first place is we should disregard the law when convenient because the law failed us when Erap was set free. That to me shows a very shallow understanding of what happened. In fact the law didn't fail us, the President did. Erap was convicted under law, even to the Supreme Court and sentenced to life behind bars. The Presidential pardon, while legal, is the prerogative of the President. Like I said, you can disagree with the end result but you cannot disagree with the law. That's why Erap is free, because PGMA made that decision. Not because the law failed because in that case the process resulted in a conviction.

Then what you did is take that case and extrapolate it to all criminal cases to put forward as a reason why we should rely on vigilante killings instead of due process. That's where I call bullshit. You're taking that one extraordinary case and expanding it to encompass all cases including petty theft which is plain OA and exaggerating! As if all, or even most criminals get Presidential pardons or get a free ticket out of jail. Like I said, go see a jail why don't you and see for yourself if people are really not staying behind bars coz if you're right then why are our jails filled beyond capacity??