Religion needs immediate extermination

[SioDenz]

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the only problem about being an theist sir is that, yes you have faith in god but some religious people once they tend to be in hardships, they then go ask god for help and if they dont get the help they need, they will blame god for their badlucks? i have seen some religious people doing this.

being a theist, at least whatever i do in my life, i have no one to credit on my badlucks.i blame it to myself and charge it to experience. i dont pray hoping for a miracle or god to shower me blessings but i strive hard to get what i want. some religious people rely their lucks in god as for them god means miracles as i dont believe such thing but i definately believe in man's goodness. i respect my friends for having a strong faith in god and i must say i admire their faith but it jsut doesnt apply to the way i was brought up.i have learnt that one should just believe in himself and not to anyone.

What you said is true,

But the concept of Atheism also has its own problem, big problem. In the context of Atheism, each individual has its own set of Morality they will follow, some maybe good, some maybe Bad. But when Other Atheist will do Bad things because for them its the right thing to do - The problem Now is You cannot Condemn them because there's No framework on which to Judge Them since there's No universal Law/guidelines for Atheism.

[rodsky]

since there's No universal Law/guidelines for Atheism.

Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Social order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Norm (sociology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note that all these concepts do not contain any dicussion on theology, but can still create a stable society while minimizing disorder and chaos. Ergo, a society based on only the things written above can already be a prerequisite to creating a stable society, provided the constituents/citizens of that society are intelligent and mature enough to accept and understand the above-mentioned concepts.

Furthermore, this leads to a topic I am very fond of, which is emergence, under which is discussed the principle of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization .

-RODION

[hitch22]

Like rodsky, I am an atheist and I too disagree with this thread's proposition, although I suspect the TS' choice of words seem deliberate and contrived, in order to either start a conversation or just attract attention. But whatever the objective, the attempt seems to have failed, since the backlash has obviously overwhelmed whatever value the TS wanted to extract.

I see religion as a coping mechanism for most people. If you were to take this away from society, you're left with a void that may just be filled with something even worse. You're left with the question: What do you have in place of religion? I do not have a satisfactory answer to that, although I'd love to hear one.

As an atheist, I can only argue that atheism is a rational position and that the right and choice to disbelieve should be respected. There are nuances, however, when it comes to disbelieving. There are those who claim there is no God; then there are those who find the arguments and evidence to be unsatisfactory and therefore just can't bring themselves to believe in a God; and then there are those who don't know if the question can be answered and therefore they too do not find it necessary to believe in a God. For me, I straddle on the latter two positions. If not believing is itself a form of belief, then that would be as ridiculous as saying that not collecting stamps is a hobby. Get my point?

One need not be ashamed to come out as an atheist. If it was a ridiculous position to be in, then you'd have to ask yourself: Why are 93% of the elite scientists in the National Academy of Sciences atheists? The list of prominent individuals who are atheists speaks of a who's-who among the shapers of history and thought: Andrew Carnegie, Steve Wozniak, Mark Zuckerberg, Leonard Susskind, Francis Crick, James Watson, Warren Buffett, Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Stephen Hawking, Stephen Jay Gould, Steven Weinberg, Peter Higgs, and on and on. People even misquote Einstein, showing him to be a theist. But when it comes down to facts, they don't know that Einstein went as far as delivering a speech about "Giving up the idea of a Personal God" to hundreds of religious leaders, philosophers and scientists in Sept. 11, 1940 (click here).

All I'm saying is that atheism is a rational position to take, when the evidence pitched to you by the theists don't fit into what you know about nature and how it works. Example? What I understand about nature and how it works is that nobody ever comes back from the dead. Therefore, if I hear stories about resurrection, I am well within reason and my rights to not believe it. And, finally, you shouldn't be ashamed to be an atheist and they shouldn't make you feel ashamed for being one.

Peace.

[Eve's Apple Project]

agree ko ni hitch22: religion is a coping mechanism. so to get rid of it will only create havoc. it is our cultural norms to have a religion. so lisod imaginon ang kinabuhi kung wala ta ana..
the reality is we cannot live in a world without something to believe in.. that's what separates us with animals.. i guess, we just need to accept the fact nga ingon ani jud ang kalibutan.. & what TS is doing is just to get attention probably..

[butong101]

So, you already discovered, and admit and agree that it's indeed just an "escape mechanism"...

Analogy: All your life you were afraid of a "monster" that terrified your neighborhood and especially this abandoned house, but as you grew up you realized this "monster" was nothing more than someone's invention to keep kids away from that house which turns out to be a drug-den. So will you keep "pretending" that the "monster" still lives in that house?

Why not take the NEXT STEP and GET RID of the escape mechanism. Like I said, I know it's difficult, but it can be done.

-RODION

from the very start sir, cguro wala lang nimo na notice, it has always been my contention that religion is created by man. but im against to its extermination since from my point of view, religion was created out of a human need. just like science it was created to solve.. religion is created to solve the abstract problem or forces that can not be seen but definitely present in a human body e.g feelings, etc. Religion is the solution to the things that science is not capable of solving yet, but eventually, religion will adapt to new changes if science will bring one.. it has always been like that.. before religion was so against to the proposition that earth is not the center of the universe, religion mightily refuse and eventually conceded, ana lang gd..

taking the next step sir, getting rid of the escape mechanism, is from my POV is impossible. the escape mechanism or our defense mechanism is something that we did not create, its the abstract thing that our personhood/personality created so as to survive.

[yhokz101]

Going back to Lennon's "Imagine", most people don't realize it but the song actually talks about communism/socialism. Lennon had Marxist/Leninist views at the time, but his variety of socialism was what the hardcore commies then called a "soft-intellectual-socialist-artist".

-RODION

OT: hahaha.. im quite fascinated by your wits sir rods, even on music you never fail to amaze us.. quite true on your thought on John Lennon's "Imagine"..

TS, quit your reasons and "Let it be"... :-p

[rodsky]

OT: hahaha.. im quite fascinated by your wits sir rods, even on music you never fail to amaze us.. quite true on your thought on John Lennon's "Imagine"..

TS, quit your reasons and "Let it be"... :-p

This has nothing to do with my "wits"--this is fact:

Imagine (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(exerpt)
In the book "Lennon in America", by Geoffrey Giuliano, Lennon commented that Imagine was an "anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic [song], but because it's sugar-coated, it's accepted.".

Red pill or the blue pill? BTW, both are sugar-coated too.

-RODION

[nitwit]

Our knowledge of right and wrong is NOT innate in us, it is developed when we grow Up, it was Mold by people who influenced Us. There's No guidelines of morality when a Child is Born - big part of His judgment or way of thinking will be greatly influenced by his surroundings and the way he was raised.

I dont agree that religion gets its morality from man, religion gets its morality by believing that there is a supreme being who is the giver of that morality.

You said "according to thomas dixon "Religions certainly do provide a framework within which people can learn the difference between right and wrong" - So what if we will remove that framework, what would happen?

Since you followed your Morality based on what you think what is right, Then what about other Atheist? is there any Atheist we can call Bad?

i live by the morals taught by my parents. i dont need a bible just for the sake of knowing whats the right thing,you can always tell whats the right thing. there are laws and punishment to those who break the rules im pretty sure you dont need religion to know whats right.

i have nothing agaisnt religious people, like ive said,i admire their strong faith and all the things they believe it but whats applicable to one might not be to the other one.

mind if i ask you this question sir? how many theists commit sins more than atheists? the thing about religion here,its not about the number, are the religious people really doing whats being asked to be done by their gods?

religion is becoming more so a business nowadays. there was no such thing as church when christ led. he prrayed with his disciples on the hills, he didnt ask anyone for donations, he was even the one whose been the giver but whats happenning nowadays?

we have all these churches, gigantic ones. but they dont even can be a shelter of those people whose got no homes. how many priests have you seen that dont have cars? i bet you my bottom dollar that everyone of them got cars. where do you think their money come from? all from those who give donations hoping to get some lucks. they prey on the weak .

like ive said, i respect all religions but i just have seen too many people getting hurt and abused because of this said religion but to those religious people let them be if having faith is something they think they need to stand still when standing is no longer easy in life.

[butong101]

i live by the morals taught by my parents. i dont need a bible just for the sake of knowing whats the right thing,you can always tell whats the right thing. there are laws and punishment to those who break the rules im pretty sure you dont need religion to know whats right.

my response is limited to the context highlighted above.

i beg to disagree, Bible has so much to do with morality. The bible has molded, nourished, morality alot. The bible can be a very good guide of leaving a peaceful life.
im not saying god exists as what the bible have said, all im saying the bible is a very good guide of a becoming at peace w/ yourself.

[redhorse1L]

how come this thread is still alive?