Questions for the Atheists

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Please note that I'm not asking for ALL the answers. My questions are very specific and they focus on the foundation of the atheistic belief. If an atheist cannot answer these questions, then his/her position is absurd and he/she is relying on blind faith.

If that's the case, then dili na lang unta sila manghilabot sa mga theists. Dili na lang unta sila magbugal2x sa DIOS sa mga theists. Unya dili na lang unta sila manghinambog nga ang science nga ilang gihuptan has ALL the answers.

atheism is not a belief. It is simply a rejection of theistic beliefs.

science does not yet have all the answers and we have no problem acknowledging that. We are not making a false claim like theists who believe their religion gives them the answer to everything.

[yanong_banikanhon]

atheism is not a belief. It is simply a rejection of theistic beliefs.

But you DO BELIEVE that God does not exist. So ayaw na lang ta anang palusot nga atheism is not a belief. Kay kun dili pa na belief, wala unta mo mutoo ana.

science does not yet have all the answers and we have no problem acknowledging that

But you DO BELIEVE that soon, SCIENCE will have ALL the answers. Mao na'y gitawag og faith.

We are not making a false claim like theists who believe their religion gives them the answer to everything.

Unsa gu'y wala? Kadto diay'ng geocentric model (earth is the center of the universe) dili diay to false claim? Ayaw ko ingna dili to gikan sa science?

Kanang inyong claim nga life comes from inorganic chemical in random fashion, without the aid of any intelligence, asa man ang proof ninyo ana?

[Devian]

OT: @Devian, see my comments in red.
1. Every finite and contingent has a cause -- ok
2. A causal loop cannot exist --- why not?
- because of point # 1

3. A causal chain cannot be of infinite length ---- again why not?
- because of point # 1

4. therefore, a First Cause (or something that is not an effect) must exist. --- this contradicts item #1. why do u have a 1st cause when everything has a cause?
- There is no contradiction, because the first cause is not finite

why should the First Cause be God?
- Wrong question. Sama ra na'g moingon ka: Why should the study of life and living organisms be called Biology?

On topic:
Balik ta sa topic ha, kay mora'g nagsugod na pud og simang. Ang atong topic is: Questions for the Atheists. So akong balikon akong pangutana. PALIHUG OG TUBAG.

Can you give us a logical/scientific evidence that will prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the FIRST CAUSE to exist?

Please also answer these:
1. Can you give us a scientific evidence that the causal loop exists?
2. Can you give us a scientific proof that the causal chain is infinite?

taronga kuno explain...dili ana see #1 or etc. imo man kaha na statement.

unsaon nako tubag wa gani ko kasabot nimo.

kung tinuod ni ID, apil na ta ni sa curriculum sa school.

[Devian]

first cause do exist but for me it's bb.

[yanong_banikanhon]

taronga kuno explain...dili ana see #1

I-research na lang sa google ang Summa Theologica, bay. Aron makasabot ka'g tarong. OT na kaayo kun ako na i-explain diri.

kung tinuod ni ID, apil na ta ni sa curriculum sa school.

Pareha ra na ani: Kun tinuod pa ang wealth management, gitudlo unta na sa elementary ug high-school.

Balik ta sa topic:

Can you give us a logical/scientific evidence that will prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the FIRST CAUSE to exist?

[carmen iceman]

..continuation from Post #1103

This is the voice of the scientific community. I am posting a series of statements or scientific opinion as given by scientific bodies of international standing in response to the "intelligent design" agenda.

American Chemical Society

The American Chemical Society is a nonprofit organization, chartered by the U.S. Congress, with a multidisciplinary membership of more than 158,000 chemists and chemical engineers. It publishes numerous scientific journals and databases, convenes major research conferences and provides educational, science policy and career programs in chemistry.

In a recently adopted policy statement, the Society said that “evolutionary theory is not a hypothesis, but is the scientifically accepted explanation for the origin of species, and explains significant observations in chemistry, biology, geology, and other disciplines."

“Evolution is a well-established, central scientific concept,” said William F. Carroll, Jr., Ph.D., ACS president. “In the proper context, students should be exposed to a wide diversity of ideas to help them shape their own opinions. But they should get a solid understanding of science from their science teachers through a full and robust scientific curriculum. Evolution is the proven scientific model that we should be teaching in the science classroom.”

The Society said that “evolution cannot be dismissed or diminished by characterizing it as mere conjecture or speculation.”

Source: American Chemical Society supports teaching evolution in K-12

I'm copy pasting only the important parts of the statement only. This is to prevent accusations of plagiarism kuno from believers who do anything just to discredit science. Reading the source page is highly encouraged in order to understand the issue.

The scientific community has spoken. So it's up to you to decide whom to believe: The ID or Creationism proponents like Kent Hovind or Michael Behe? or the Scientific Community as a whole? You be the judge. End of debate.

wala ra gihapon ni nag answer sa question part, straight question raman unta to for the athiests...

[Devian]

I-research na lang sa google ang Summa Theologica, bay. Aron makasabot ka'g tarong. OT na kaayo kun ako na i-explain diri.



Pareha ra na ani: Kun tinuod pa ang wealth management, gitudlo unta na sa elementary ug high-school.

Balik ta sa topic:

Can you give us a logical/scientific evidence that will prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the FIRST CAUSE to exist?

OT, ngano OT man explanation man na sa imo proof.

Ikaw man ni present ana nga proof then ikaw explain. Ngano gud ako mo research sa explanation sa imo proof.

cge lang gihapon ka pangayo ug tubag where daghan man kaayo nitubag nimo? how do u qualify nga sakto o dili ang tubag btw?

[yanong_banikanhon]

OT, ngano OT man explanation man na sa imo proof. Ikaw man ni present ana nga proof then ikaw explain.

Bay, ang title sa thread is Questions for the Atheists. DILI Explanation from the Theists.

Mao man gyud na'y inyong style, kun dili na mo makatubag sa question, mobahag dayon inyong ikog. Daghan na dayon pasumangil. Baligtaron dayon ang pangutana.

cge lang gihapon ka pangayo ug tubag where daghan man kaayo nitubag nimo?

Hatagi kuno ko sa link sa mga post diri nga thread na nitubag anang akong question sa ubos:

Can you give us a logical/scientific evidence that will prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the FIRST CAUSE to exist?

Kanang tubag nga tarong, ha. Dili nang 'ambot', or 'we don't have to prove anything'. Maayo ra mo mangita'g proof kun kamo'y mangutana, unya kun kamo'y pangutan-on, moingon lang mo 'we don't have to prove anything'. Ka dakong tinonto! Tsk.tsk.tsk. Labaw pa mo sa GOD anang kalakiha.

[LeeLeePot]

question for the atheist...

d ko mudebate ninyo kai mga bryt mu...

few questions lan...


kung wla moi ginasaligan, giunsa ninyo pagkasure nga makamata mu ugma? on what scientific grounds? giunsa ninyo pagkasigurado nga sa inyong pagpiyong, d mo bangunguton or damguhon ba?

[rodsky]

question for the atheist...

d ko mudebate ninyo kai mga bryt mu...

few questions lan...


kung wla moi ginasaligan, giunsa ninyo pagkasure nga makamata mu ugma? on what scientific grounds? giunsa ninyo pagkasigurado nga sa inyong pagpiyong, d mo bangunguton or damguhon ba?

Dili dyud ko sure nga mag mata ko ugma. I totally accept that I could die in my sleep and not wake up tomorrow. But why should I even worry about that? I'm smaller than the smallest possible speck, in the vastness of the universe--my presence or absence doesn't really matter when considering the universe as a whole--it will continue being the universe (unless of course it somehow abruptly ends in its own way, but current cosmological theories suggest this won't happen anytime soon) with or without my presence, and to me that's already a comforting thought.

-RODION