Questions for the Atheists

[kajrot1]

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Lisod na mo argue..

anyways huwat nalang ta sa mga questions ni yanong matubag
chow!

[rodsky]

Non sequitur. Just because fractals are not created by human hands and is abundant in nature doesn't mean that they don't come from an intelligent source. Give me a proof that all fractals cannot come from an intelligent source aron dili mahimong non-sequitor kanang imong statement.

Of course, I will go back to this point again because it is completely illogical and unreasonable to expect that a set of instructions (a computer program or genetic codes) just mysteriously appears without any intelligent entity coding them in the first place.

Can you give me a situation wherein a set of instructions (maybe thousands of them) just appears out of randomness, without any aid of any intelligence and that the recipients of these instructions totally understand them and can execute them in the right manner?

Show me that there is indeed an intelligent source first, then perhaps I can try to prove that they cannot come from that source. How can I begin to prove B, when we haven't even determined that the premise (A) does exist? The mere fact that you cannot show me proof that there is such an intelligent source, we come to a deadlock, and our arguments will remain circular.

-RODION

[badjaw]

Nia pa gyu'y bag-o pa lang nako nga question nga gisugdan na pud nila'g likay2x. Tubaga kuno mga resident atheists.

Matud ninyo, the transformation of a very simple, single-cell life-form to a multi-cellular organism takes million of years.

But all of us know that it only takes nine SHORT months for a living single diploid cell called zygote (the fertilized egg cell) to transform into probably THE most complex multi-cellular organism called human fetus.

Unsaon man ninyo pag-harmonize kanang two conflicting statements sa taas?

you can't consider an eggcell-to-zygote analogy here. in the first place, an egg cell needs a sperm cell to fertilize. an egg cell can't fertilize on its own.

[yanong_banikanhon]

you can't consider an eggcell-to-zygote analogy here. in the first place, an egg cell needs a sperm cell to fertilize. an egg cell can't fertilize on its own.

Please read my previous post very carefully then you will notice that I'm not talking about the eggcell-to-zygote transformation. I'm specifically talking about the zygote-to-human fetus transformation which takes only nine months, as opposed to what most atheists believe (that the transformation of a single-cell life form to a multi-cellular organisms takes millions of years).

[badjaw]

we are arguing kong naa bay ginoo and not kong kinsa ang ginoo. spot the difference bai. kong gosto ka makabalo kong si Zeus ba na o Krsna lahi na pod na nga topic.

nganong di man helpful. kita ka og awto mo ingon diay ka nga gikan na sa bacteria nya nahimong awto o gikan na sa chemicals nya nikilat nahimo dayung awto. mao diay na imong isulti? sayop na ka.

inig kita nimo sa awto og tungod sa kanindot sa iyang makina maka ingon ka nga naa jud ga imbento sa awto altho di nimo makita pero your logic will tell you nga naa jud inventor sa awto. mohowat pa diay ka og millions of years para makuha nimo ang tobag?

your analogy is not impressive. i don't even think it is valid. you are basically using the watchmaker analogy, again, if we use that analogy, the question arises, who created the creator? gets bay? you can basically conclude nga naay inventor/maker sa usa ka nindot nga butang, though wala ka kita giunsa paghimo but by observation by watching tv/movie, ads, word of the mouth and what nots, it is safe to arrive to that conclusion. but can you use the same strategy to conclude that a god exist? i don't think so.

[badjaw]

You mean your Limited Science? Science that cannot explain everything?

Nganu magka problema man sad ka sa mga bata nga mu attend ug sunday school nga wa may sunday school nagtudlo ug dautan, ang gipang tudlo sa sunday school unsaon man nga mudako ang bata nga tarung.

My question to you is can science teach children to be a good person? Does your Science teach Good values to kids? Does Science teach us to love one another, help one another?

yeah, your infallible bible that can explain everything?

are you saying that teaching god to kids is the only source of good values? by inflicting fear by telling them about hell if they sin and get rewarded with heaven if they're good? yeah right.

[yanong_banikanhon]

Show me that there is indeed an intelligent source first, then perhaps I can try to prove that they cannot come from that source. How can I begin to prove B, when we haven't even determined that the premise (A) does exist? The mere fact that you cannot show me proof that there is such an intelligent source, we come to a deadlock, and our arguments will remain circular.

First this thread is aptly titled Questions for the Atheists, so boss Mod, please be a role model by sticking to the topic. Request lang na ha, basin imo na pud personalon.

Second, atheists assert that life comes from lifeless chemicals through a random process WITHOUT the aid of any intelligence. Inyoha man nang assertion, so the burden of proof is also yours. Maayo lang mo mangayo og proof sa assertion sa mga theists unya kun inyo ng kaugalingong claim ang hisgutan inyong balihon ang pangutana. Mora'g klaro na kaayo ang pagka-double standard da.Tsk.tsk.tsk.

Para makabarog kanang inyong assertion, ipakita ang evidence that would prove beyond reasonable doubt that life cannot come from any intelligent source.

[rodsky]

First this thread is aptly titled Questions for the Atheists, so boss Mod, please be a role model by sticking to the topic. Request lang na ha, basin imo na pud personalon.

Second, atheists assert that life comes from lifeless chemicals through a random process WITHOUT the aid of any intelligence. Inyoha man nang assertion, so the burden of proof is also yours. Maayo lang mo mangayo og proof sa assertion sa mga theists unya kun inyo ng kaugalingong claim ang hisgutan inyong balihon ang pangutana. Mora'g klaro na kaayo ang pagka-double standard da.Tsk.tsk.tsk.

Para makabarog kanang inyong assertion, ipakita ang evidence that would prove beyond reasonable doubt that life cannot come from any intelligent source.

If I stop participating in this thread, would you lose respect for me? Would you then tap other people's shoulders and say "O, wala lagi ma say ang mga atheist, mga wala'y nada, pataka-taka ra ni sila...ayaw intawon ninyo ni sila i-respetar kay mga wala'y klaro nga mga tawo."?

My reasons in joining this thread has nothing to do with the topic--it is because of a MAJOR concern that confronts the way I live my life--is that if we cannot come up with the answers you seek, that we look inferior or small, or that the likes of you will start "spreading the news" nga walay mga ayo ang mga atheist, and ang proof kay "Tan-awa bay o, dili sila katubag sa mga question nga gi post diri--wala'y klaro ning mga Atheist, patuga-tuga makipag debate dili man katubag--kung ako sa inyo, ayaw intawon mo mag Atheist kay wa'y klaro na--diri ta sa Theism kay klaro nga superior ta kaysa nila." Diba kana man ang purpose sa mga questions nimo diri? Just please be honest--dili man lang ni lingaw-lingaw--you are challenging a person's very principle in life, and you are in a position to make him look bad among the people in society, so again UNSA MAN DYUD ang inyong objectives nganong you want to ASK these questions, because if you want to make us look bad, and make people veer away from Atheism, then I cannot participate in these discussions anymore, because the intent is never at true discussion, but method to prevent people from becoming atheists.

Like I've been saying time and time again in these kind of threads, I don't want people with torches and pitchforks knocking on my front door and telling me I should be burned at the stake for being an atheist.

-RODION

[kit_cebu]

^grabbing them by the b@lls....

[kit_cebu]

and why some people would label atheism as a "group".....

and the most "stupid" part, mangita'g "proof"..... sweet cheesus......