The idea of Atheism is to remove absolute basis/guidelines for what is Good and Bad. Its already happening today and the effect is very dangerous.
The idea of Atheism is to remove absolute basis/guidelines for what is Good and Bad. Its already happening today and the effect is very dangerous.
That is an incorrect and overly generalizing statement. I am an atheist--I still know what is good and bad, and I support the doing of good against the doing of bad things. Atheists can be good people, we just have no objective way to judge the conduct of those who are not.
-RODION
i've outsmarted my genes and ancestors, Evolution Rocks!!! hehehehe![]()
First your statement is Self Defeating, You say do Good things - my question is Good based on what? where did you get your basis to say what you did is Good or Bad? is your basis absolute or is your criteria of what is Good only based from WHAT you think?
Second, I never mentioned that if your an Atheist you will automatically do Bad things. My statement is for the Belief of Atheism Not the Believer of Atheism. That since you remove the Idea of an absolute being, you remove the absolute GIVER of Morality and therefore remove the absolute basis for Good and Bad.
Before you say your an Atheist and DO GOOD things, define first Your Criteria of what is Good or Bad because for Atheism, morality is based on every individuals own thinking. You don't base your criteria of Good and Bad from those Judio-Christian Morality because it will defeat the concept of Atheism.
Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. "Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you shall eat the plants of the field; (Genesis 3:17-1![]()
God is all knowing for you not to comprehend?
God allows these things to happen to make us mature. A refined Gold in character.
There is a saying you will never trully understand til it hurts.
"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'
"'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
"'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.
Mathew 13:27-29
Why Pain is necessary?
The assumption that all pain, suffering, and death are bad or evil. In fact, physical pain is absolutely vital to our survival. If we felt no pain, we would do things to ourselves that could be very destructive.18 For example, if we didn't feel pain when we touched a hot object, we would not react until we saw our flesh smoking. This is obviously not a good thing to do. Pain tells us we need to react to a situation before serious damage occurs.
I have no wish to participate in this debate--my input is solely based on the fact that in your previous statement, there was a sweeping generalization--i.e. if someone found out I was an atheist, and your statement declared that perhaps a person like me has the aim of "removing absolute basis/guidelines for what is Good and Bad", then perhaps that person will now judge me negatively (esp. if that person trying to judge me bases his principles on the Judeo-Christian concepts of good and bad). My response was aimed at removing this negation.
-RODION
Last edited by rodsky; 06-22-2011 at 11:53 AM.
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