Questions for the Atheists

[kajrot1]

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kinsa tong atheist dha na idol c Christopher Hitchens ^_^
nindot ning videoha oh
YouTube - ‪Hitchens debates William Lane Craig‬‏

[ketllac]

if i were you florida.blanca stop reasoning with them.. it will be pointless.. ive tried following the thread and it is really pointless arguing with this bunch of theists.. perhaps with other theists it will be worth awhile.. but not with them

from: florida.blanca
does the roman catholic church contribute to humanity?
na puros kabuysitan ang ilang ihatag sa society!


Kinsay pointless sir?
Atheists ray dili pointless ka --istorya sir?

[gatsby]

kani mga atheist ayaw nalang i pugos ninyu if dili mo motuo ug God or if God does not exist. if ingun ana inyu pagtuo then so be it. and its bad na mamantay ta sa uban binuhatan sa tao na dautan like sako nabasa, nahatag daw sa mga pari kay kabuwesitan, if kusog kaau ta mamantay might as well same ta sa mga tao na atung ginabantayan.

im no atheist, i dont have a religion, i dont believe in saints and priests but i do believe that there is a God - i dont know if He does exist or not but ibutang nko sako self na naa jud for me to have a direction sakong life. tan awa ang uban atheist, cge pamantay sa uban its because wala man jud sila ni tuo ug Ginoo (whether ni exist or wala), this kind of attitude might cause chaos. if naa man gud kay faith bisag wala ni exist ang Ginoo ma minimize man gud nimo ang pamantay sa uban its because its in the Bible not to judge others, dili lang pamantay ang ma minimize kundi other sala. lets say these atheists are right, wala juy Ginoo but ingun ana ilang attitude, you think peaceful ang kalibutan? i dont know wat will hapen sa kalibutan if wala tay gituohan na Ginoo whether ni exist sya or wala, just wondering na unsa nata? if ganahan ta mo patay cguro posible diha diha daun no? am i right or wrong?

some atheists i know kay magvolunteer sa mga feeding programs and some charitable activities.

by the way, its not only atheists ang ga volunter sa feeding program and charitable activities, mas daghan pa volunteers ang mga dili atheists. naa man sab nabuhat ang catholic church i BELIEVE mas daghan pa gani sila na tabang kaysa sa mga atheists, right? dapat unta dili ta self centered sa tanan pang hitabo, wat we think is right for us is not right for the others because we cant please everybody. so by saying that, i hope you get my point.

[ketllac]

sir Gatsby thats a good attitude sir. dapat ing ana unta..ako agnostic man ko before but dili sad maayo nga extreme ayo imo stand. kay mura naman hinuon ang atheism nga fundamentalista grabe naman ayo ka bias nga unta lack of belief man unta..dapat balanse ang pag tan -aw sa issue...

Kung di maansweran ang question about contribution from atheism's principle den proceed namo sa unending nga debate about naay God or wala kay neutral ko ana nga issue di na mag daog..

Atheism is a lack of belief of a certain deity ang outside ana is just an icing of a cake..nganong grabe man mo argue..? pointless pa kuno ang theists...

[The_Child]

Sir ma question ang atheist nga nag rely lang ug system mao ang logic and science. walay experiment sir nga makapamatuod nga sakto ang scientific experiment kay no consistent system can prove its own consistency. Consider this paradox "I always lie"

Let me share Godel's incomplete theorems which is related to your question.

Proven in 1931 by Kurt Gödel, these theories say that with any given set of logical rules, except for the most simple, there will always be statements that are undecidable, meaning that they cannot be proven or disproven due to the inevitable self-referential nature of any logical systems that is even remotely complicated. This is thought to indicate that there is no grand mathematical system capable of proving or disproving all statements. An undecidable statement can be thought of as a mathematical form of a statement like “I always lie.” Because the statement makes reference to the language being used to describe it, it cannot be known whether the statement is true or not. However, an undecidable statement does not need to be explicitly self-referential to be undecidable. The main conclusion of Gödel’s incompleteness theorems is that all logical systems will have statements that cannot be proven or disproven; therefore, all logical systems must be “incomplete.”

i think this is a bit of a simplified version of goedel's incompleteness theorem. but It resembles more like the liars parardox that can be traced back to Eubulides of Megara than what Goedel really wants to point out. So if this is the simple case, then the solution is also simple. turn away from the formalization of language.

[pinoy_09]

Wa man sad gani ka kahibalo.

Mas kuyaw ka kay wa sad ka kahibalo, wa sad kay idea pero sure na kaayu ka nga way Ginoo - unya unsa imu gigamit nga rason? imung huna huna nga kuwang sad sa kahibalo

Kinsay ni sulti nga sure na gyud lagi ko? Ayaw lagi sige pataka storya. Hasula. Admit ko nga kuwang ko sa kahibalo. At least ako mu admit ko ana nga wa ko kahibaw asa ta gikan.

Kamo nga mga arogante kaayo --- sigurado na gyud kaayo kunohay sila kung asa ta gikan --- ingnon man lang ta "THE SOURCE IS GOD".

[pinoy_09]

if i were you florida.blanca stop reasoning with them.. it will be pointless.. ive tried following the thread and it is really pointless arguing with this bunch of theists.. perhaps with other theists it will be worth awhile.. but not with them

[sprex]

karon pko kita ani nga thread dah... nice to hear naa pud diay agnostic/atheist dri cebu... =]

[kajrot1]

are you happen to be an atheist sir?>?

[pinoy_09]

kinsa tong atheist dha na idol c Christopher Hitchens ^_^
nindot ning videoha oh
YouTube - ‪Hitchens debates William Lane Craig‬‏

Inganlan na lang gud ko gud, i-likoy2x pa gyud oi as if wa siya kahibaw nga ako iyang pasabot.

I haven't seen the video. But judging from the number of dislikes and youtube comments, mura'g daghan gyud ang ni pabor ni Hitchens. Nice try though!