Questions for the Atheists

[tokidoki]

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bro pinoy_09 kita daw ang nai circular reasoning.

i think wala nisink in to imu pic sa una. Perhaps its time for another reality check/reminder

[pinoy_09]

Is that a way of conceding that indeed, the basis of atheism and agnosticism is not logical and is therefore absurd?

What do you mean? How is that a way of conceding atheism/agnosticism is indeed illogical? Lagpas man imong question.

[pinoy_09]

bro pinoy_09 kita daw ang nai circular reasoning.

i think wala nisink in to imu pic sa una. Perhaps its time for another reality check/reminder

Mao gyud bro. The pic thingy I'll leave it all to you.

[pinoy_09]

Sige i-assume nato nga false dilemma kining statement nga 'Without GOD, it is impossible to prove anything'. Can you provide an alternative to GOD that can prove everything?

Earlier, you said that logic is transcendent to the material world. First, prove that this statement is true, because in the first place, there is absolutely NO evidence for this. The correct dichotomy should be---logic is either dependent upon human minds OR it transcends the material world.

'Without GOD, it is impossible to prove anything' is a statement of absolutes. Logical fallacy again.

Actually you should ask that question to yourself because it is the atheist/agnostic position - that logic IS THE ONLY basis for everything. Theist doesn't share that position.

You still yet to show proof that logic is the only basis for everything. Lisud ba diay i-prove ang basis sa inyong belief? Kung dili na ninyo ma-prove, nganong nituo man mo ana? Tungod ba sa faith?

Care to share us what theists use besides logic and reason to examine the truth? Please don't tell me it's the Bible.

[yanong_banikanhon]

bro pinoy_09 kita daw ang nai circular reasoning.

Unsa man diay tawag ani, dili diay ni circular reasoning?

It is true that the use of logic and reason is the only way to examine the truth, because by itself, it is logically and reasonably true.

[nikko143]

yehey!yehey! i lab this one man!

[yanong_banikanhon]

Earlier, you said that logic is transcendent to the material world. First, prove that this statement is true, because in the first place, there is absolutely NO evidence for this. The correct dichotomy should be---logic is either dependent upon human minds OR it transcends the material world.

We'll assume that logic is nothing but chemical state inside one's brain. But that chemical state varies from time to time and from one's brain to another. The laws of logic (ex. law of identity, law of non-contradiction) is invariant. A thing cannot be variant and invariant at the same time. Therefore logic is not the chemical state inside one's brain.

This leaves us with only one option from the 'correct dichotomy' you have proposed earlier: Logic transcends the material world. So naa na @pinoy_09 ang proof nga imong gipangita.

Care to share us what theists use besides logic and reason to examine the truth?

Well, the topic title is Questions for Atheists so I believe it is inappropriate to discuss that matter here. For now, it is suffice to say that the theists cannot accept that the statement logic and reason is the only way to examine the truth is true simply because the proponents of that idea (atheists/agnostics) cannot provide even a single proof that it is indeed true.

I-prove sa lagi nga tinuod nga logic and reason is the only way to examine the truth. Mao baya na'y basis sa inyong pagtoo. Dili diay mo maka-prove sa basis sa inyong pagtoo? Sa ato pa lugar, nagtoo-too lang mo bisan dili mo sure kun tinuod ba ang inyong gituohan?

[yanong_banikanhon]

I'm still waiting sa usa ka atheist or agnostic nga makahatag og proof aning ilang claim without resorting to circular reasoning:

Logic and reason is the only way to examine the truth

Inyoha man ng claim unya mao pud na'y basis sa inyong pagsupak2x sa mga theists so ang burden of proof sa inyoha pud. Kun dili ninyo ma-prove na nga claim, wala gyud laing logical conclusion - absurd ang inyong pagtoo.

[treize]

OT: It's getting hot in here... just a reminder, let's not resort to ad hominem, this goes for both parties..

[pinoy_09]

We'll assume that logic is nothing but chemical state inside one's brain. But that chemical state varies from time to time and from one's brain to another. The laws of logic (ex. law of identity, law of non-contradiction) is invariant. A thing cannot be variant and invariant at the same time. Therefore logic is not the chemical state inside one's brain.

This leaves us with only one option from the 'correct dichotomy' you have proposed earlier: Logic transcends the material world. So naa na @pinoy_09 ang proof nga imong gipangita.

Granting that the correct dichotomy is "logic transcends the material world", you still cannot provide me proof that this statement is true. Unsa lagi proof nimo nga tinuod ni? Ayaw likay-likay sa pangutana. You only said this leaves us with this dichotomy, so unsay pruweba nga tinuod ni? Even if this argument was valid, it still fails to give us insights into the presence of a "GOD".

So it's still safe to say that "GOD" is, in fact, created by man. Therefore, God is created by man and not man created by God.

Well, the topic title is Questions for Atheists so I believe it is inappropriate to discuss that matter here. For now, it is suffice to say that the theists cannot accept that the statement logic and reason is the only way to examine the truth is true simply because the proponents of that idea (atheists/agnostics) cannot provide even a single proof that it is indeed true.

I-prove sa lagi nga tinuod nga logic and reason is the only way to examine the truth. Mao baya na'y basis sa inyong pagtoo. Dili diay mo maka-prove sa basis sa inyong pagtoo? Sa ato pa lugar, nagtoo-too lang mo bisan dili mo sure kun tinuod ba ang inyong gituohan?

Sige man kag balik-balik ani. Murag kahibaw nako sa imong style da. Tubagon ka pero kung di ka ganahan sa tubag, balik-balikon nimo ang pangutana hantud makahatag mi sa tubag nga imong gipangita. Di man ko telepathic nga makabasa sa imong huna-huna.

Again and again, the fact that you're using logic to disprove logic is enough proof. You want me to prove how logic's conclusion is VALID. The only way to prove it is through LOGIC. So whatever TRUTH is, the only way to recognize it is through LOGIC. Your challenge to prove me that logic is the only way to get the truth relies on LOGIC itself. I hope you get this point by now.

Why wouldn't you share the theists' tools here? Until you share your views our debate would be futile. Since we're technically OT already, you might as well share... Again the question was this: What do theists use besides logic and reason to examine the truth?

You didn't even rebuke my point above. Instead sige kag balik-balik sa imong question. Kung mao na imong style, di gyud ta mag human ani.