Who is the real GOD?

[crossramz]

Review your lessons on subject and verb agreements first, then maybe I can understand what you're saying to me.

But anyway, if it is good, then it is good. No need to be a Bible-reading churchgoer to discern that.

OT: if you are not satisfied with my grammar then would you prefer I'll use the cebuano language here? well that makes me feel comfortable if its okay with you.

[cliff_drew]

if you think god existed by its own and was not created by anyone or anything...

why can't you think of that towards the universe and anything that was caused by the universe?

this is never ending...

Same question like "which comes first, chicken or the egg?". Who created God? If God was created, who created the creator of God? Hahaha, never ending.

[treize]

where is the logical fallacy here? Did I tell that the bible MUST be the ground? In this particular topic, it is assumed that your basis is the bible. Isn't it?

Sir, do I look like I need a bible to have a ground or basis of my argument?

[kajrot1]

basta d gani makit an dili na motuo ana man jd tang mga taw

lisod e explain ^_^ /....../

[iheartnikon]

Same question like "which comes first, chicken or the egg?". Who created God? If God was created, who created the creator of God? Hahaha, never ending.

If you know how evolution works, the egg would come first...

But proving god logically isn't really logical... It started with a much higher complexity to lower complexity which is bullshit and even defies the natural world... So for me, god doesn't exist...

[iheartnikon]

basta d gani makit an dili na motuo ana man jd tang mga taw

lisod e explain ^_^ /....../

So sa ato pa, mo too pud kang Krishna? Unsaon diay nimo pagkahibaw nga ang ginoo nga imong gi tohoon mao gyud na nga ginoo? Sakto lng nga na tao ka sa pinas kay if na tao pka sa india, basin kang Vishnu pud ka mo too...

[pinoy_09]

Yes She would realize that Santa Clause was indeed real. But is misinterpreted and not really who he is contrary to popular culture. Well if she is a very culture oriented or never bother to study or investigate then she would really never know the real santa clause

"Real" Santa Claus? You mean to say Santa Claus is real, or that Santa Claus is a figure BASED on a REAL person named St. Nicholas? Please don't confuse yourself.

The verse means We cant see God because we would get destroyed.

Children would never believe in electricity because they can't see it nor can understand it.
CHildren would never believe and appreciate stock trading because they don't understand it.
We are not ten year old as well that the thing that makes us believe are all Eye candy.

I think I know where you're going with your point.

Are you applying the same logic with atheist? Are you saying that atheist would never believe in God because they don't/can't understand God? If so, what makes a believer think he/she knows more about God than the average person? Does he/she know what/how God thinks? How much effort does it really need to understand the "complexities" of a supernatural?

This means we can't see God literally because we would then be destroyed(This may be that we humans are not pure or holy enough, or it could be of tremendous power that the at mere sight we get destroyed a logical characteristic of a Being that created the whole universe)

Unfortunately there is a counterfeit to all these and the Bible exposes the base principles of the counterfeit.

We would then be destroyed? Did you just make that up?

[pinoy_09]

What we see in the table is a comparison of the two possible types of creators. Both creators must possess certain characteristics in common, such as being eternal and being transcendent to this universe. However, the naturalistic creator must be "stupid" and must have created our exquisitely-designed universe through some sort of random process. For some reason, the atheist chooses to believe that the universe arose randomly by the action of a stupid creator, instead of seeing the obvious - that a well-designed universe would most likely come into being through the actions of an intelligent designer. Let me give you an example. I show you a computer and ask you to make your best choice as to how it came into being:

1. Designed and put together by intelligent human beings.
2. Random computer parts were put into a large box and the parts soldered randomly by spraying molten lead into the box as it was rotated. This process was continued many times until the computer happened to be produced.

Well, its your choice. Have you checked your tent lately?

Well, you can't really compare a simple problem like creating a computer to creating a whole universe. If you start the argument of Intelligent Design, you can't just leave it behind on a dead end with infinite possibilities. You have to start questioning the origin of the creator, otherwise you're creating a bigger problem to the problem. Intelligent Design is also a way to put a gap in scientific knowledge. Why automatically insert God to questions science cannot answer?

[pinoy_09]

Genesis is a good read and it explains creation and it portrays God. Problem with most people who read this is that they personify God. A force created the world, I will call that force God, God manipulated elements like hydrogen, oxygen, etc to produce water steam, etc etc... Science babble2x, blah blah.

So just because you cannot explain something, you automatically assume God must have did it? This is a good example of a close-mind. No wonder faith is known to halt the progress of human inquiry.

Old school ni na tinudluan. Hard selling ni kun baga. Some people sell religion and faith, some people simply lead by example and deeds.

Faith is blind. Faith is defined as believing in something you cannot see. A 6-year old child believe in fairy tale because she believes it's real. That is FAITH per se.

Very well said.

She didn't say it. She copied and pasted it and made it look like her own.

As for the TS bah...Do you Believe in God or an external force for that matter? If you don't, then why start this thread? You may have many purposes say, make more posts, enjoy stirring the water, find confirmation. Ang ako lang bah, lalis2x mo diri. Pero think about this, we have 5 senses...We are limited by these five senses. Have you ever thought that there might be beings that have more than 5 senses. Have you ever thought what if dili Oxygen and hyrdrogen ato main components? Daghan kaayo ta ug beliefs kay lahi2x man ta ug mga huna2x na mga tawo and that is how we were designed. Point is, if you are looking for answers, you cannot find them here. Even what I post here is gibberish to people who read this. Even those who agree with me don't even fully understand the full thought of my post. I don't even fully understand myself. Because we are bound not to. I just enjoy my life. What is beyond I leave to God.

Why start this thread? Because I can and I want to.

Yes, we have 5 sense and we are limited by those senses, therefore, it entails we DO NOT know everything about the universe, and I am one to admit our limits. That does not mean, however, that we cannot start a meaningful discussion about the unanswerable.

[THE SKULLS]

You're just limiting your way of thinking to the physical laws of the universe. Yes, planet, galaxies, universe just can't pop out from nothing according to the laws of physics, not unless something constant, infinite that isn't bound by the laws of physics, transcending the universe or the material existence caused it to exist.

all I can say is that there is energy in the universe.
and energy can't be created nor destroyed.

Could Energy be the real God?

I believe ET is.