Catholic Church has billions invested in BPI, Philex, San Miguel

[koontz_circle]

Are you saying its not part of the Church's job to help the poor?

Isn't it their moral responsibility to put their teachings into actions especially if they have the financial means to do it?


Can you outline exactly what you think should be the job of the Church? Please also outline the scope and limitation of their function.

Balikon napod nako, their job is to encourage and uplift their spirits dili lang sa mga poor apil tanang tao, no discrimination.

Natubag na nimo imung pangutana, yeah they are capable of helping the poor. but do you ever think of the massive consequences of draining all their assets just to feed the needy in just a span of one month or two. if buhaton na nila I doubt if naa pay sobra ang organization. They have their right to protect their monetary assets, that's why investment is wise idea kay nakatabang na sa economy, e.g. generate jobs indirectly, business expansions thorugh their shares..


Don’t confuse yourself about the scope, sumala unsa man imung nakita, their moral duties in particular.

[tokidoki]

I'm just re-quoting what you have just said.
Balika kuno ug basa imong gi-post.
Ikaw ra man nag-sulti nga kanang "bright" people are STUPID.
Then, proud ka kay normal ka, even if dili ka bright:


Do didn't get the point.
What I'm saying that the taong grasa believes he is normal than anybody else.
Ahhmm.. What did you say you are again?

Yes, you requoted lagi. And i'm saying out that before you point out issues with my words, make sure you and your church are not saying the same (which I know you are) kai ang labas ana hipokrito ka.

Btw, from YOUR point of view, YOU are normal. Correct? So if I were to look at you and the taong graso together and both of you claim they are normal, so who is crazy then? sanity is subjective bai. So what does that make you?

So i guess you're not getting the point of what you just said. I got it but as before it's a POOR example.

[miyay]

^^ like i said bai. I suspect all that investment is a contingency plan.

it seems part of it is used to pay for child abuse settlements. whatda!!

[redhorse1L]

Well, in my first post bai I was not promoting hate or judging the church. I was aiming na since naa naman diay sila pondo, di nalang sa ta manghatag.

Manghatag nata if nahurot nana ila pondo.

This yet another criminal offense bai. For example, i have a family member who is hospitalized. I need 1MIL for the very delicate procedure. I ask for donations. IF kaabot nana ug 1mil bai undangan nana ug pangayo. IF naai sobra bai, I will be held accountable for that by the BIR (which does not happen to the church).

What I am currently understanding right now is that the church has MORE THAN ENOUGH of what they need, they should at least, for the sake of sincerity, stop collecting if naa na diay sila pondo.

Kung unsa man gani, they can always ask LATER. dili kanang INFINITY lang ang pangayo maskin naa na diay target nadawat.

Nganong naabot naman ka sa pundo?
Naa diay Bank Statement atong nakita diri?

If you remember, ni-ingon ka nga dili na pwede i-withdraw nalang na tanang shares nila sa BPI para magamit nila.

Sige, talking about savings, let's just say ang Church (nationwide) naay 2 Billion worth of savings in the bank. Dapat bang gamiton nalang na para sa ilang operational expenses / charity until ma-zero na. Then resume nasad ug pangayo donations?

Economics 101, the bigger the organization, the bigger should have its savings. If naay 300 Million savings ang Mang Inasal. Dapat ang Jollibee, naay around 3 billion savings.
Kung naay project nga dako, dili hutdon ang savings, instead, mangutang pa gali sa bangko and shell out only a portion of their savings.

Again, wala mo'y concrete evidence nga daghan kaayo ug surplus ang simbahan then gi-waldas ra ang kwarta.

[tokidoki]

Nganong naabot naman ka sa pundo?
Naa diay Bank Statement atong nakita diri?

If you remember, ni-ingon ka nga dili na pwede i-withdraw nalang na tanang shares nila sa BPI para magamit nila.

Sige, talking about savings, let's just say ang Church (nationwide) naay 2 Billion worth of savings in the bank. Dapat bang gamiton nalang na para sa ilang operational expenses / charity until ma-zero na. Then resume nasad ug pangayo donations?

Economics 101, the bigger the organization, the bigger should have its savings. If naay 300 Million savings ang Mang Inasal. Dapat ang Jollibee, naay around 3 billion savings.
Kung naay project nga dako, dili hutdon ang savings, instead, mangutang pa gali sa bangko and shell out only a portion of their savings.

Again, wala mo'y concrete evidence nga daghan kaayo ug surplus ang simbahan then gi-waldas ra ang kwarta.

The church does not fall in those categories bai. If nasulod na sa bangko ang ilang kwarta, obviously mao nana ang surplus, which by law, is taxable. How can you overlook that obvious thing? If naabot nana ang kwarta sa bangko meaning sobra nana! Kai if kulang di na maabot sa bangko. Gigasto na sa dapat asa gastosan.

Walay concrete na evidence? Mao pa gani pagsulti sa uban that some priests and churches live lavishly!

And fyi bai, dili pautang ang bangko sa simbahan, simply because they have no collateral to give. non profit baya! kita pautangan ta kai naa ta proof of INCOME because we generate income. Churches don't generate INCOME. See the difference? Ngano gud intawn pa utang ta anang organisasyon na walay balak mo bayad?

Last time I checked the church built their projects based on donations. Karon pako kadungog anang mangutang sa bangko. wala man gani mo insure ug simbahan! Or have you forgotten? Mao bitaw if masunogan mangayo napud ug DONATION.

[redhorse1L]

Yes, you requoted lagi. And i'm saying out that before you point out issues with my words, make sure you and your church are not saying the same (which I know you are) kai ang labas ana hipokrito ka.

Btw, from YOUR point of view, YOU are normal. Correct? So if I were to look at you and the taong graso together and both of you claim they are normal, so who is crazy then? sanity is subjective bai. So what does that make you?

So i guess you're not getting the point of what you just said. I got it but as before it's a POOR example.

Never in my statement I said about myself being normal.
Lagpas naman na imong istorya bro.

This only started when you talk about those persons having low self esteem need the Church.
When I mentioned about professionals going to church. Ingon ka nga bright sila but STUPID. Then ikaw, proud ka kay normal ka even if dili ka bright.

Ayaw ibalik sa ako ang statement kay I never said such things.

Please review your posts and cut-off your ego. You'll need it.

[necrotic freak]

@TS, maayo pa mag smear campaign ka ani sa dagkong parish church sa cebu city, aron maka tabang ka sa mga nailad ug STUPID nga church goers ba.. kaysa ari raka kutob sa forum..

[tokidoki]

Never in my statement I said about myself being normal.
Lagpas naman na imong istorya bro.

This only started when you talk about those persons having low self esteem need the Church.
When I mentioned about professionals going to church. Ingon ka nga bright sila but STUPID. Then ikaw, proud ka kay normal ka even if dili ka bright.

Ayaw ibalik sa ako ang statement kay I never said such things.

Please review your posts and cut-off your ego. You'll need it.

Never? LOL Pagsure diha oi. That wasn't even a requote. You were being sarcastic, which is obviously your desperate ploy to lambast my statements. I, of course, see the hypocrisy. Ayaw lagi criticize ug laing tao if utro pud diay ka guilty!

Dugaya kasabot oi.

And your last comment has no connection. If natamaan imo pride or imo simbahan you can relieve yourself by conquering cities and massacring millions and LOOTING money, at least that's one thing your church is good at.

Next time don't play the sarcasm game. You're too lame at it because your ideas get muddled in contradictions.

[cobraKing]

question pra nimo koontz_circle..

u said they capable of helping the poor...

diin man cla pag bagyong ondoy sa manila unsa man ilahang role did2 unsa man pud ilahang natabang?

ug mamatay ang pobre naa bay libre na pa lubong or free mass?

ug naay masakiton pwde ba mo ask ug tabang sa simbahan?

[tokidoki]

@TS, maayo pa mag smear campaign ka ani sa dagkong parish church sa cebu city, aron maka tabang ka sa mga nailad ug STUPID nga church goers ba.. kaysa ari raka kutob sa forum..

Poor suggestion. This is more effective than putting it in a church. It's going viral!