Who is the real GOD?

[SioDenz]

100% FAIL? Please provide here reliable links which supports your opinion that Dawkin's theory is fail. Otherwise, your opinion remains futile.

No links needed. The reason why its Not called Darwins LAW of evolution explains it all - Theory pa man nah mao wa pay kasiguruhan.

Anybody can make theories pero if mag hisgot naka ug LAWS lahi nah na.

[bearish]

Missing the Obvious

Lone Ranger and Tonto


The Lone Ranger and Tonto are camping in the desert, set up their tent, and are asleep. Some hours later, The Lone Ranger wakes his faithful friend.
"Tonto, look up and tell me what you see."
Tonto replies, "Me see millions of stars."
"What does that tell you?" asks The Lone Ranger.
Tonto ponders for a minute.
"Astronomically speaking, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets.
Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo.
Time wise, it appears to be approximately a quarter past three.
Theologically, it's evident the Lord is all powerful and we are small and insignificant.
Meteorologically, it seems we will have a beautiful day tomorrow.
What it tell you, Kemo Sabi?"
The Lone Ranger is silent for a moment, then speaks.
"Tonto, you Dumb Hoss, someone has stolen our tent."


The above joke is a good lesson in missing the obvious. Chances are that you were surprised by the Lone Ranger's response. However, the first sentence of the joke tells you that the Lone Ranger and Tonto were camping in a tent. It should have been clear at Tonto's first response that he was missing the obvious.



Likewise, those who have already decided that God does not exist and that all processes must have a naturalistic explanation, do not see the obvious evidence that the universe was designed, rather than happened by chance. Rational explanations for the creation of the universe come down to two main possibilities:

1. Design by an intelligent being
2. Happened by random chance

What are the differences between the two creators?
Characteristic ------God -------SuperUniverse
Transcendence -----Yes ---------Yes
Eternal -------------Yes--------- Yes
Creation of Universe -Designed-- Random
Intelligence ---------High------- Stupid




What we see in the table is a comparison of the two possible types of creators. Both creators must possess certain characteristics in common, such as being eternal and being transcendent to this universe. However, the naturalistic creator must be "stupid" and must have created our exquisitely-designed universe through some sort of random process. For some reason, the atheist chooses to believe that the universe arose randomly by the action of a stupid creator, instead of seeing the obvious - that a well-designed universe would most likely come into being through the actions of an intelligent designer. Let me give you an example. I show you a computer and ask you to make your best choice as to how it came into being:

1. Designed and put together by intelligent human beings.
2. Random computer parts were put into a large box and the parts soldered randomly by spraying molten lead into the box as it was rotated. This process was continued many times until the computer happened to be produced.

Well, its your choice. Have you checked your tent lately?

A typical view of a non-deep-thinker. how can one create when he was not there? where were planets, galaxies,etc. came from when there was nothing? where was he when there was nothing? where was his brain when he was brainless?

you are just creating a god out of your imagination and defending it as tough as you can.

[Kenshiro]

Christianity answers the question of who made God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tell us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)

The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)

To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)

God exists in timeless eternity

How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.

[SioDenz]

A typical view of a non-deep-thinker. how can one create when he was not there? where were planets, galaxies,etc. came from when there was nothing? where was he when there was nothing? where was his brain when he was brainless?

you are just creating a god out of your imagination and defending it as tough as you can.

And whats the typical view of a DEEP Thinker like you bro? debating the existence of God by questioning the works of God using the words written in the BIBLE?

[cliff_drew]

A typical view of a non-deep-thinker. how can one create when he was not there? where were planets, galaxies,etc. came from when there was nothing? where was he when there was nothing? where was his brain when he was brainless?

you are just creating a god out of your imagination and defending it as tough as you can.

It doesn't take to see things to make us human as the most intelligent creation of God to believe on things. We don't see air nor sound but we believe it exists. Physicists are still unable to see electrons but they have sufficient evidence to believe it exists based on their model of science.

Even before science existed, some facts were already accounted on the Bible. Examples are -- the order of stages through which the earth passed in its development (Genesis, chapter 1), that the earth is round (Isaiah 40:22) and that it hangs in space on nothing (Job 26:7), and that birds migrate (Jeremiah 8:7). The list go on. Does the Bible deserves so much credit for its scientific accuracies?

[wenlove24]

A typical view of a non-deep-thinker. how can one create when he was not there? where were planets, galaxies,etc. came from when there was nothing? where was he when there was nothing? where was his brain when he was brainless?

you are just creating a god out of your imagination and defending it as tough as you can.

Who created God?

A common objection to the "God hypothesis" is the problem of how God came to be. If everything has a cause, why does God get an exception? The problem with such reasoning is that it assumes that time has always existed. In reality, time is a construct of this universe and began at the initiation of the Big Bang. A God who exists outside the time constraints of the universe is not subject to cause and effect. So, the idea that God has always existed and is not caused follows logically from the fact that the universe and time itself was created at the Big Bang. The Bible makes these exact claims - that God has always existed and that God created time, along with the entire universe, being described as an expanding universe. Why can't the universe be uncaused? Of course, it is possible that the universe is uncaused. However, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that contradicts that idea. So, an atheist who claims to live by logic and evidence cannot arbitrarily assign eternity to a universe that is clearly temporal.


No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. Peace ....

[ReikoChan]

[bearish]

And whats the typical view of a DEEP Thinker like you bro? debating the existence of God by questioning the works of God using the words written in the BIBLE?

That is not the way to understand how one's reasoning is to be appreciated. inorder for you to question the validity of one's claim is to question/scrutinize what one is claiming. how can we have a debate when there is no ground? the bible act as the ground as it is the basis of your claims.

[necrotic freak]

There is no God, but i love to debate about God..

[bearish]

Who created God?

A common objection to the "God hypothesis" is the problem of how God came to be. If everything has a cause, why does God get an exception? The problem with such reasoning is that it assumes that time has always existed. In reality, time is a construct of this universe and began at the initiation of the Big Bang. A God who exists outside the time constraints of the universe is not subject to cause and effect. So, the idea that God has always existed and is not caused follows logically from the fact that the universe and time itself was created at the Big Bang. The Bible makes these exact claims - that God has always existed and that God created time, along with the entire universe, being described as an expanding universe. Why can't the universe be uncaused? Of course, it is possible that the universe is uncaused. However, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that contradicts that idea. So, an atheist who claims to live by logic and evidence cannot arbitrarily assign eternity to a universe that is clearly temporal.


No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. Peace ....

equally logical also if we assume that the universe always existed and is not caused. and if we are overwhelmed with how the formation of the universe arranged beautifully and amazingly does not necessitate to have been designed intelligently. it is also safe to assume that the universe act according to cause and effect and the universe is continually moving, acting, forming and deforming according to its properties.