Catholic Church has billions invested in BPI, Philex, San Miguel

[redhorse1L]

haha... daan ko pa lagi gamiton ug bikil. example ra na bro and it is based on a real issue. pero i acknowledge your desperation bai. kai concern troll baya ka. pa as if lang nagsupak pero walay substance ang mga punto. nya pa-rebelde effect diay half-a$$ed ang mga arguments.

if mutuo ko ug james bond bai it begs the question na mutuo siguro ka sa concept sa simbahan? even though naa na gyud diri ang ebidensya sa ilang pagkamisleading? that is even more pathetic.

at least if james bond pa na wala na sila namakak sa kinabuhi sa mag espiya.

kinsa may rebelde diri in the first place?
kamo ra man sige ug bash diri sa Simbahan.
Abi nakakita ug dakong kwarta, dayon mo ug putak2x..

Nag-start ra jud ko ug comment diri kung naa ba'y sayop ang mag-invest?
Lain2x nalang ipang-bato..
Nag-sugod sa beer2x nga hubog2x daw ang SMC, karon, rebelde2x nasad nga gipa-lending sa BPI.. sakto na?

Basaha gud ug balik ang article, ang mismo gali nga writer wala jud mag-huna2x ug dautan about investing.

Update: pa angal2x paka diha ug dili mutigum sa bangko nya imong mga discussions naa sa stock market. pagkalami nalang gyud nimo ipakong sa obispo sa BPI dodong! you have just solidified my belief that the church and its followers are bloomin' hypocrites.

Mao, kay pareha ra man na ang investing ug saving sa banko..

[tokidoki]

^^ huh? pareho ra ang saving ug investing? di man siguro ka ihas anang investing bai since tig invest man siguro ka. you are probably also AWARE of the difference. mao bitaw na advice sa mga mga broker it's better to invest your money than save in bank. banks only give you an interest of how much but usually it is lower than the inflation rate. diba? so saving and investing are 2 different things.

[tokidoki]

Nag-start ra jud ko ug comment diri kung naa ba'y sayop ang mag-invest?

sayop bai if dili na ilang kwarta. mas sayop gyud if kanang kwartaha wala nibalik sa nanghatag.

if they are indeed efficient with the way they handle money, they should not ask for donations. a more honest method would be to ask for debtors.

"pautanga among simbahan ninyo. balikan ra mo namo ug 1million." (tax free pa mga inatay)

o, diba? daug tanan. dili kai mangayo ug kwarta, naa nai kwarta, ang tubuo bulsahon pa gyud! haller kaayo!

[redhorse1L]

^^ huh? pareho ra ang saving ug investing? di man siguro ka ihas anang investing bai since tig invest man siguro ka. you are probably also AWARE of the difference. mao bitaw na advice sa mga mga broker it's better to invest your money than save in bank. banks only give you an interest of how much but usually it is lower than the inflation rate. diba? so saving and investing are 2 different things.

couldn't get the sarcasm huh?

Kibaw man diay ka nga naay diff between investing and saving in the bank..
That's why I have to ask you, if there is something wrong with investing in the bank?

[jimville]

hay. mga ignoy. learn ur facts.

[redhorse1L]

sayop bai if dili na ilang kwarta. mas sayop gyud if kanang kwartaha wala nibalik sa nanghatag.

if they are indeed efficient with the way they handle money, they should not ask for donations. a more honest method would be to ask for debtors.

"pautanga among simbahan ninyo. balikan ra mo namo ug 1million." (tax free pa mga inatay)

o, diba? daug tanan. dili kai mangayo ug kwarta, naa nai kwarta, ang tubuo bulsahon pa gyud! haller kaayo!

So, you mean tanang kwarta nga na-collect sa simbahan dili nalang gamiton para mo-dako? Ibalik nalang deritso sa mga tawo?

The writer (probably a financial analyst) on that article was even impressed how the Church handled their money. Unya ikaw, negative kaayo imong tan-aw ana?

Maayo man ug company na ang simbahan or financial institution nga pautangon nimo, then mag-expect ka nga ibalik imong gi-donate.

Kung dili ka motoo ug Ginoo, undang nalang ta ug istorya diri.

[mineralwithegg]

ang mga suya.on masuya jud....

[tokidoki]

So, you mean tanang kwarta nga na-collect sa simbahan dili nalang gamiton para mo-dako? Ibalik nalang deritso sa mga tawo?

The writer (probably a financial analyst) on that article was even impressed how the Church handled their money. Unya ikaw, negative kaayo imong tan-aw ana?

Maayo man ug company na ang simbahan or financial institution nga pautangon nimo, then mag-expect ka nga ibalik imong gi-donate.

Kung dili ka motoo ug Ginoo, undang nalang ta ug istorya diri.

negative? ikaw ra nag ingon earlier dili nila obligasyon motudlo unsaon. and now you praise the writer this time? make up your mind!

and since when diay na itubo ang donation before ihatag ug balik. someone needs 5,000 for medical bills. i ask 1k from 5 people. I give the 5k to the person who needs it. That has and ALWAYS been the process bai.

Now you're saying, someone needs 5k, i collect 1k from 5 people, INVEST THE MONEY FIRST, before giving the 5k to the person who needs it? Huh?! Sakto na?! The person needs 5k you GIVE HIM 5k. Asa man ang tubo padung, bulsahon nako? You are bloating the scope of an honest donation, bro. That's a very selfish act bai ("Pay yourself first before paying others.") from someone whose facade is unselfishness. What part of "non-profit" don't you understand?

There is a term for that bai in the private and gov't sector. It's called MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS (regardless of outcome). and the penalty is jail time. Pwede pud bai Estafa. coz you have breached the trust of the people who put faith in you.

[redhorse1L]

negative? ikaw ra nag ingon earlier dili nila obligasyon motudlo unsaon. and now you praise the writer this time? make up your mind!

Sakto bitaw, are Priests financial educators?
Did I say I'm prasing the writer? I'm just saying that the writer is even impressed on how the Church handled the money.

and since when diay na itubo ang donation before ihatag ug balik. someone needs 5,000 for medical bills. i ask 1k from 5 people. I give the 5k to the person who needs it. That has and ALWAYS been the process bai.

Now you're saying, someone needs 5k, i collect 1k from 5 people, INVEST THE MONEY FIRST, before giving the 5k to the person who needs it? Huh?! Sakto na?! The person needs 5k you GIVE HIM 5k. Asa man ang tubo padung, bulsahon nako? You are bloating the scope of an honest donation, bro. That's a very selfish act bai ("Pay yourself first before paying others.") from someone whose facade is unselfishness. What part of "non-profit" don't you understand?

Bisan unsa pa nang Charitable institution brod, walay ju'y institution nga dili mo-keep aside for savings/investments. Ay pud ko ingna nga puro zero balance na sila at the end of the day?
Take note, gi-invest na. Wala na gi-sugal.

There is a term for that bai in the private and gov't sector. It's called MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS (regardless of outcome). and the penalty is jail time. Pwede pud bai Estafa. coz you have breached the trust of the people who put faith in you.

Lagpas na.
Sige, ipa-preso nang mga mayor ug presidente kay part sa atong tax gi-invest man.

[tokidoki]

Bisan unsa pa nang Charitable institution brod, walay ju'y institution nga dili mo-keep aside for savings/investments. Ay pud ko ingna nga puro zero balance na sila at the end of the day?
Take note, gi-invest na. Wala na gi-sugal.

Maybe you forgot or maybe i'm just too naive to know this. There are savings but what I don't know is that they invest their money. Sure, mangayo ug donation. Naa gyud nai excess, the excess you spend for another day. If kulang, ngayo donation (cycle repeats). Dili man pud na sila mazero bai maskin dili na nila iinvest. That's the whole point of the tax exemption of the church and NPOs, because they are not supposed to generate income. if your money grows that IS INCOME. Can the church still, in good faith, claim that they are a non-profit org? I don't think so!

Another thing, NPOs are AUDITED by the BIR and that all expenses must be liquidated by the end of the day. If naai sobra that would be deemed a profit and therefore taxable. If there is a discrepancy, heads will roll. The church doesn't have this kind of pressure.

But to answer your question, YES, dapat gyud ma zero by the end of the day (at least in the books). Well, technically speaking, all the money must be accounted for and spent where they were supposed to be spent.

Lagpas na.
Sige, ipa-preso nang mga mayor ug presidente kay part sa atong tax gi-invest man.

Taxes are not donations bai. They are OUR hard earned money taken by force. And, yes, politicians DO go to jail if they invest OUR money for their personal gain (if maskapan) or they invest the money in transactions that are deemed conflicts of interest.

Don't compare them directly with priests bai. Most of all, the income generated by invested taxes goes the country's coffers. It is OUR common income. And you can honestly say bai that that money is OURS it belongs to the Filipino people.

Priests are not accountable to anyone, except within their ranks.