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    Quest for Reason: Why can we trustJesus?

    The true intent of skeptics

    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

    For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

    Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. –Romans 1:18-23

    Bible is clear that the problem with people is not the absence of evidence; it is, rather, the suppression of it.

    Denial of Christ has less to do with facts, and more to do with what sinners have already concluded in their minds.

    Thomas Nagel, Professor of Philosophy at NYU:
    “In speaking of the fear of religion, I don’t mean to refer to the entirely reasonable hostility toward certain established religions…in virtue of their objectionable moral doctrines, social policies, and political influence. Nor am I referring to the association of many religious beliefs about superstition and the acceptance of evident empirical falsehoods. I am talking about something much deeper –namely the fear of religion itself…I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and naturally, hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that.”

    Quest for Reason: Why can we trust Jesus?

    To such a mind, no amount of evidence would ever be enough

    • Look at the Pharisees (e.g. John 6:30, Matthew 12:3. It was not the absence of a sign that troubled them; it was the message behind the signs that provoked their discomfort

    • In fact, in both above accounts, demand for a sign came immediately after miracles had been performed…John -Jesus walks on water, and Matthew –Jesus casts out a demon)
    An Aside: The demand for a sign itself is a proof for existence of God
    Is the demand for a sign not a sign in itself?

    • We demand signs because we are intelligent beings, seeking evidence because we thinking, and thinking because we have a mind. But surely the complexity of our mind, and our ability to reason cannot be a result of chance, or evolution…

    • Chandra Wickramasinghe, Applied Math Professor in Wales: Statistical probability of forming even a single enzyme, the building block of the gene, which is in turn the building block of the cell, is 1 in 1040,000. It would require more attempts for the formation of one enzyme than there are atoms in all the stars of all the galaxies in the entire known universe.

    Who has to have more faith?

    • The Christian who uses his mind to trust in god, or the one who, without any attempt to explain how his mind came to be, nevertheless uses that mind to demand a sign, yet disbelieves God?

    • Bertrand Russell, famous writer and atheist, when asked to explain the existence of the universe: “It’s just there.”

  2. #742

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    We can put our trust in Jesus. Jesus' sufferring on that cross is more than enough to sweep our sins away. One is proud if he says Jesus' sufferring and pain on the cross is not enough to forgive one's sin. No greater love than a father giving his only son who is blameless & without sin, just to save us sinners.

  3. #743

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    But why is Jesus trustworthy?

    Reason 1: His life and teachings were utterly consistent

    “A true defense of any claim must also deal with the evidences that challenge or contradict it. Truth is not only a matter of offense (in that it makes certain assertions), it is also a matter a defense (that it must be able to me a sensible response to counterpoints that are raised). A challenge emerges as to whether to trust a claimant to deity that may have some unique features that attract, while covering up a multitude of contradictory teachings or lifestyle. The entire life of anyone making prophetic or divine claims must be observed in concert with their teaching.”-Zacharias

    ��His consistency is precisely what makes Jesus so unique

    • The whole range of both His life and teaching can be subjected to the test of truth, and proven utterly consistent

    Faith for the Christian is the response of trust based on who Jesus claimedto be, and what He did, and it results in a life that brings both mind and heart in a commitment of love to Him.

    • That Jesus was utterly consistent in all He said and did makes our faith not only reasonable, but absolutely reliable.

    Quest for Reason: Why can we trust Jesus?

    Reason 2: His physical resurrection is His greatest proof of all

    “Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?" Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?" But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.” –John 2:18-22
    Jesus gave the greatest proof of His authority by accurately predicting His death and the time of His bodily resurrection.

    • The fulfillment of this prediction reveals Jesus’ uniqueness above all contenders

    • Consider this: in all of history, all a skeptic has ever needed to do to disprove the claims of Christ is to produce His body…surely with all the forensic and archaeological technologies of today this wouldn’t be hard. But this has never happened. Jesus proved precisely what He said He would.
    An aside: Implications on the sanctity of human life

    • It is in our bodies that the Lord dwells: we are His temple (1 Corinthians 6:19)

    • This body is deemed worthy of respect and reverence

    • Contrast to pantheistic religions and new age thinking; body is extension of universe, no intrinsic value of our bodies over any other matter

    A Taste for the Soul: How does Jesus satisfy?

    Jesus Himself is the Bread of Life, and none but Christ can satisfy

    Hunger is deeply rooted in us…we have legitimate hungers for all sorts of things:

    • Food, drink, love, companionship, truth, justice, etc…

    But Christ’s message affirms that no one thing will meet all of these hungers; more importantly, nothing can satisfy man’s deepest hunger in our souls, except Christ Himself. “While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body.
    " Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” –Matthew 26:26-28

    “Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty… I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." –John 6:35, 47-51

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    Jesus Himself is the Bread of life

    • At the heart of every major religion is a leading exponent. At some point there emerges a distinction between person and the teaching. Mohammed, to the Koran. Buddha, to the Noble Path. Krishna, to his philosophizing.

    • By contrast, Christ not only taught His message. He was identical with His message. He did not just proclaim the truth or show the way. He said “I amthe truth”and “I amthe Way.”
    Is God the Source of my Suffering?

    Read John 9:1-11

    “As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? “ "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

    As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world." Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man's eyes. "Go," he told him, "wash in the Pool of Siloam" (this word means Sent). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing. His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, "Isn't this the same man who used to sit and beg?" Some claimed that he was. Others said, "No, he only looks like him." But he himself insisted, "I am the man." "How then were your eyes opened?" they demanded. He replied, "The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see."
    Is God the Source of my Suffering?

    Answer to suffering goes deep in the understanding of the nature and severity of evil.

    • As we’ll see, the Biblical world-view is the only one that accepts the reality of evil and suffering while giving both cause and the purpose, while offering God-given strength and sustenance in the middle of it.

    Suffering is real, universal and complex

    • Every world-view must give an explanation or answer for evil and suffering

    • Either evil categorically proves that God doesn’t exist (atheists), or evil is ‘not ultimately evil’(pantheist), or evil is most coherently explained by the Christian view of God and His purpose in creation.

    Most people ask how can there be moral justification for evil?

    But the Bible affirms that it is much more important to ask: Why do we exist? What is the purpose of our being?

    • C.S. Lewis: When a ship is on high seas, there are at least 3 questions that must be answered. How do we keep the ship from sinking? How do we keep it from bumping into other ships? But behind these two lurks the most important one: Why is the ship out there in the first place?

    Christ’s message addresses the heart of the matter, as we shall see later

    Is God the Source of my Suffering?

    The Atheist’s world-view of suffering: Two Protests to God’s Existence

    Protest 1: God cannot exist because there is too much evil evident in life
    Christianity easily contradicts this
    “If evil exists, then one must assume that good exists in order to know the difference. If good exists, one must assume that a moral law exists by which to measure good and evil. But if moral law exists, must not one posit an ultimate source of moral law, or at least an objective basis for a moral law? Objective means something that is transcendently true at all times, regardless of whether I believe it or not.”–Zacharias

    Atheist: evil exists, therefore God doesn’t.
    Christianity: objective moral values exist, therefore God must exist.

    Protest 2: Evil doesn’t actually exist…we are all simply ‘dancing to our DNA’
    This is supposed to be an answer!? If DNA neither knows nor cares, what prompts our knowing and our caring?

    Imagine telling a rape victim that the rapist merely ‘danced to his DNA’? Or victims of the holocaust that their tormentors mere danced to their DNA!

    While seeking an answer to the question of evil, the atheist ends up denying the question…what contradiction!“In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at the bottom, no design no purpose, no evil and no other good. Nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.”–
    Richard Dawkins, renown Atheist

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    How Hinduism and Buddhism attempt to answer

    - In pantheistic religions like Hinduism, all good and evil fuse into one ultimate reality (Brahman)

    - In Brahman, Krishna says, all distinction breaks down; that which appears evil is only a lesser reality, and ultimately all things are a part of divine reality (i.e. all is in god, and godis in all)

    There really is no way for Hinduism to deal with the problem of evil

    Denying evil is real doesn’t diminish wickedness, nor does it daunt the heart’s desire to seek purity.
    We can see this especially in so many of the ‘purification rites’in Hinduism, which often include self-infliction of pain

    One of Hinduism’s strongest criticisms of Christianity is in the days of Britishrule, and the evil of being exploited!

    Buddhism preaches that behind the real world is actually impermanence

    Once we know that there is nothing permanent, not even the self,then we stop craving…in this state of ‘enlightenment’the self is extinguished and all desire, and therefore suffering, is gone
    Note: this isn’t the same as what the Jesus says about the world (Matt 6:19)…Scripture says that the world is wasting away because of the effects of sin, while Buddhism viewsthe present world and its desires as an illusion.

    Two fundamental contradictions to this

    If the world is impermanent, what is the explanation to the origin of impermanence and the seduction of the mind to see these as permanent? In other words, why do we need to keep reminding ourselves that nothing is permanent?

    If the world is impermanent, then neither will our state of ‘enlightenment’be permanent if ever even attained, so we’d never escape suffering anyways

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    The Christian view of suffering: 6 Key Biblical Truths

    Truth 1: God of the Bible reveals Himself as the author of life, and as the Being in whom all goodness dwells (2 Peter 1:3, Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:1

    • Goodness is the very nature of God
    • But not only is God good, He is absolutely holy –the ‘otherness’ of God
    • God’s holiness, in turn, conveys an intrinsic sanctity to our lives, because we are His offspring; wasn’t it this recognition that prompted the question in the first place? If my birth is sacred, then what wrong merited my blindness?

    Truth 2: If God is the author of life, then there must be a script and a purpose (Jeremiah 29:11-13)

    • Remember C.S. Lewis’ most important question: Why do we exist?
    • Bible says that our God-given purpose to glorify and worship God, that His work would be seen in our lives (John 9:3)

    Truth 3: God reveals to us the sacred nature of his love, to which He calls us (Romans 5:

    • Sacred nature of God’s love was demonstrated in Christ’s obedience at the cross (Ephesians 5:25-27)
    • God’s sacred love drives us to lead lives of worship (1 John 4:19, Mark 12:30-31)
    • If life is born out of sacredness, neither goodness nor love is the goal. It is reverence, and it must be chosen even when it is hard and costly.
    • Old English words in wedding ceremonies…“With my body, I thee worship.”

    Truth 4: In Christ’s suffering on the Cross, we see both the ultimate face of evil and the goodness of God

    �� While not the cause of it, God ultimately uses evil and suffering to display His glory (Romans 5:1-2; Col 1:19-22)
    �� It is often through the darkest evil (whether experienced or revealed to us) that our hearts yearn for the goodness and forgiveness that only comes from God (e.g. Saul’s conversion –Acts 9:1-5; Galatians 1:13-17)
    �� Suffering and pain did not spare the very Son of God; yet through this tremendous evil, God’s provision of hope was seen…the same hope that sustains us through our trials; Paul calls this the ‘hope of glory’! (Col 1:27)

    Truth 5:Evil is more than an exterior reality, it is an internal reality for which we need forgiveness

    �� The Bible is clear that sin is the corruption of the human heart, from which all suffering, pain and its horrible consequences, erupt (Romans 3:23)

    Truth 6: Meaninglessness in life does not come from being weary of pain, but from being weary of pleasure

    �� This is an obvious truth that is conspicuously absent from the arguments of skeptics
    �� It is not pain that has driven our generation to emptiness; it has been the drowning of meaning in the abundance of our pleasures
    �� Spiritual blindness is the greatest of pain and suffering, because it is the one things that accentuates all other suffering in our lives…without the cross to gaze upon, there is no glimpse of God’s hope for us through the inevitability of evil in the world, and in our lives

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    Conclusion

    Ultimately, Jesus was who He claimed to be, and He alone is able to seek and save lost humanity, freeing us from the bondage of sin and death.

    He who came from His heavenly dwelling, who lived a faultless life but who willingly sacrificed Himself on the cross for our sins, ultimately proved His authority and displayed His glorious power through His resurrection.

    Suffering and evil are very real, as a result of our sin. But Christ provides us peace that surpasses all understanding (Philippians 4:7).

    Jesus Christ alone is worthy of our worship and reverence.

    Pray and seek His forgiveness for your sins today, and receive Him into your heart to be your Lord and Saviour.

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    [QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by malic_2 View Post
    ikaw man kaha ang gakopot sa truth? so ipakita na mao na atong e debate. wa man ko nag claim nga naa nako ang absolute truth.
    then ai nalang na i present imong occult kung wala nay truths or nagduha2 diay ka about anah!

    naa ra man diay na nya nganong maka ingon man mo nga mao na gyud ni ang ginoo nya matud pa nimo dili siya ma grasp. way klaro nimo.
    wala ka kasabot sa akong point dok..

    if dili ka motuo about the teachings of Jesus, then you will end up believing anything to be god or even a person as a god! you will believe in a transcendent being nga dili nimo masabot kung unsa jud siya...maayo ba or dautan usahay or kanang duha. imong ma conceptualize sa ginoo is bunga ra sa imong hunahuna, walay basihanan!

    but if you will understand what Jesus said in his words, then makasabot ka about sa Ginoo and his plan of eternal salvation. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Which means that HE is the manifestation of God in the flesh..therefore HE is GOD and man in his very nature!

    Dili jud libug doktor kung makasabot ka sa logic...

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    [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTj7_iF88U&feature=related]


    1+1+1=1
    tawn pud sa imong math dok...samot ka kalibug ana kung limitado ra ang imong hunahuna. sa imong makita ra kutob

    how about ani dok...naa ni sa occult nimo?

    5 loaves of bread + 2 fishes = feeds multitudes of 5000 men

    unsa imong logic, does it work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE SKULLS View Post
    I wonder if the basis of faiths llike Bible and other books are really WordofGod.
    Obviously, they're all written by men.
    Imagine!!!
    Sure they were written by men coz we are the only being capable in doing it!
    And does it mean nga wala nalang tay tuohan nga truth? and will you believe if a certain book gisuwat ug animals?

    How about the 10 commandments that was carved in tablets of stone? dili gihapon ka motuo?

    Do you know, bisan unsa pa atong irason just to suppress the truth of the word of God or to deny his existence, still we'll find guilty before Him. Your conscience bro will surely long and search for the source. Samot lang kagahi the more we resist his truths !

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