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  1. #11

    Default Re: How to Save Bisrak


    Quote Originally Posted by LytSlpr
    I'm just curious with the title of the thread, why is it dying?
    Save not from death, but from becoming joey-de-leon pop...

  2. #12

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    mao na problema coz moingon ang gobyerno na dili tagalog but Filipino ato language but how come ila ra man tanan words? Isn't that bias? If mao na ila, then lets have our own... Mao bitaw na problema coz tanan mahitabo sa Pilipinas, base tanan sa manila... then in everything maapektohan ra ba jud ta, in contradiction sa mga sulti sa uban bisaya na dili ra daw. Kung maka observe gani mo, some bands in manila are recording in Cebu right now kay mas maayo than the ones in manila, sa tawo ug sa makinarya. Unless siguro mawala or matangtang nato ang kamatuoran na ang Manila ang nagdektar tanan, dili mapalambo ang Bisrak or bisan ang pinulongang Binisaya. Bisan gani ang mga Bisaya na naa sa gawas, when they talk, tinagalog man...

  3. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino Gonzales
    Save not from death, but from becoming joey-de-leon pop...
    honestly, it already is...
    WATCH YOUR ATTITUDE!

  4. #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by PissKhanXXX
    honestly, it already is...
    yup 2 thumbs up..mamatay ra man ni kadugayan

  5. #15

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    I read something similar to Nino's post in another forum.
    It was said that a guy E-mailed a particular radio station in Cebu saying to screen the bisrock songs that gets to be aired over this station, His implications were addressed regarding the bisaya lyrics, quality of music and all the same issues with bisrock dicussed all over this forum which i think was good. Then He compared a song from a particular band Aggressive Audio (Ang Tigulang) that it is more or like the song "Spaghetting Pababa", as if it was something bad, and he said that "sila ra ang makaguba sa music scene sa Cebu" and that they are like the Lito Camo of Cebu. It's something like that...

    what really amazed me was that the sender was a guitarist from a well-respected band in cebu,
    I see him as a true artist in cebu, i respect him and his opinions. But after reading his letter, I feel disgusted, turned off and really cant contain what he just did. Ingon ani naba ka divided and mga artists sa cebu? Is there really a barrier to bisrock artists and the artists who make music in other language?
    Thinking about what he did, I know he is a great artist; a dignified one, but
    he should be the one to help these bands to become better, ug nga tabangan niya sa iyang insights sa iyang pagka artist. I just feel He's so selfish; a self-centered jerk. ug sa gi ingon pa sa akong boss, "gamay siyag utok"

    I'm not an artist, and I'm not trying to save bisrock here, why dont you artists help these struggling bisrock artists to become better.how many artists are here hiding in different names? Com'on People, lets be productive. When can we succeed in the music industry if we try to bring down the people who is trying to climb up.

    just my two cents.

  6. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino Gonzales
    I’m sure many of us by now have mixed feelings about Bisrak. On one hand, I sure everyone is happy that Cebuano is finally starting to be an acceptable language in FM (it really is absurd that it once wasn’t), and that a lot of new music is being created in Cebu. On the other hand, it’s really sad to see that what seemed to start as a really cool movement will just end up as another sexbomb girls kind of fad.

    Perhaps it’s just part of the birth pangs of a new community of musicians and listeners, like the heyday of grunge in the 90’s, when the anti-mainstream music itself became mainstream… but perhaps there are things we could do to save bisrak from mutating into some junk-food joey-de-leon pop.

    Here’s my two-cents worth:

    Zero tolerance to crap
    I don’t think that the bisrakers have the excuse of punks that they are rebelling against some commercialized, over-complex, image-heavy music industry by singing 3-chord nursery rhyme-sounding songs. If there were a lot of successful sell-out Cebuano (real) rock bands, or if everyone is doing Cebuano epic prog-rock, yes—bare-bones, nursery rhyme punk rock would be a wake-up call to a music industry which has lost its way. Yes, singing in Cebuano is a cry against the Tagalog and English dominated Philippine music industry. However, singing crap no cry against nothing; it’s just crap… which brings me to my second point…

    (before I proceed, people might counter with that classic reply: “if you don’t like it, don’t listen to it; mind your own business.” This, you might have noticed, is the same mantra of pornographers: “if you don’t like it, don’t look; it’s not your business.” But the thing is, it is MY business, it is OUR business. Whether or not you and I listen to crappy bisrak, it will affect our lives and the lives of our grandchildren and our grandchildren’s grandchildren. Although crappy music and pornography are in different spheres—one moral, the other aesthetic—they both affect the world we live in, whether we listen/look at them or not. This on top of the fact that one is plain wrong and the other is plain ugly.)

    Artists also have to feed their children
    The only way we’ll have professional sounding bisrak is for our musicians are really professionals—ie, they can make a living out of their music. That will only happen if the rest of us support them with cold, hard cash. They also have kids to feed. It’s great that people are actually doing this without the monetary incentive, but if we really want really good music, musicians have to do their thing full time. It’s like division of labor… the rest of us non-artists will just have to make ourselves really good teachers or carpenters or doctors or call center agents or lawyers, so that we could earn some money and buy CD’s and watch concerts so that our artists can also be really good artists.

    This also means that we try to get music using means which allow as much money to get to artists vs. music company executives and bootleggers. A few years ago, I promised myself never to buy pirated CDs of local artists or bootleg them from the internet. A few times I have failed, but God knows I have struggled! Soory, soory, soory! But, but, but: if I am given the choice, I’d buy a pirated CD of a famous American artist and buy a genuine one from a local one, especially CDs of indie bands. I actually asked a priest about this. He said that it is a much worse to buy pirated CDs of local artists and buy ones from foreign artist, just like it is much worse to steal 100 pesos from a beggar than to steal 100 pesos from Lucio Tan. Let’s try our best to pay for the music we listen to. I don’t think it’s really really bad to not give more money to Michael Jackson or Britney Spears, but I think it is quite an injustice to not support the starving artists we listen to…

    Technology, I think, will make the middle-man (the music label or the bootlegger) obsolete. But a feasible business model an artist-to-consumer thing is, I think, still years away. But it will come.

    I have the right to be taught Cebuano
    The most significant, the most radical, and the most long-lasting thing we can do for Bisrak and Cebuano-language music in general is, I think, to include the Cebuano language in our schools’ curriculums. Let’s face it: Filipino music in Tagalog is much more mature than music in Cebuano. This is not only because musicians who write in Tagalog can actually make a living out of it; this is because most of them have had a really decent training in Tagalog. On the other hand, Cebuanos only learn the language of their forefathers from drinking sessions and Catholic liturgy. It is not surprising that lyrics of Cebuano songs contain words extremely vulgar or extremely pious, “giatay” and “himaya,” the profane side-by-side with the sacred. It just seems to me that not having to study MY language, while having had to study Tagalog for more than 10 years, is a bit unfair. Don’t you think so? Hey, my parents were also diligent tax payers. Why the heck have I been deprived of a serious education in my mother tongue? Tagalog song writers have been producing really good songs, from Wolfmann to Wolfgang to Up Dharma Down to the Dawn… while Cebuano songs are mostly novelty songs and crappy songs. It’s unfair! While Urbandub and SATI may be at par with the best Manilenyo bands in writing in English, they haven’t produced songs in Cebuano at par with the Tagalog songs of their counterparts in Manila. This is not because they aren’t good song writers; this is because they, who are mostly college graduates, have been deprived of education in Cebuano language and literature!
    My Point Exactly... hahahaha!!!!

    truth is... i play for a band that writes songs in english but i also work closely with bands that sing in cebuano/visayan, in fact, the very first 2 bands i played with 11 yrs ago wrote in bisaya...

    i really believe that the future of filipino music lies with our very own culture... we must create a culture that is entirely original, and this can be readily achieved by not only using english as a medium but more so if we used our own language or dialect.. Try listening to world music for example, 90% of the artists sing in their own language ("world music" nga eh.. hehehe..)..

    That's why if the cebuano/tagalog/filipino language is nurtured, we might be at the verge of creating something uniquely---- OURS....


  7. #17

    Default Re: How to Save Bisrak

    all bisrock needs is a proper label that knows how to properly market their band

  8. #18

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    support bizrockers......

  9. #19

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawn amores

    what really amazed me was that the sender was a guitarist from a well-respected band in cebu,
    I see him as a true artist in cebu, i respect him and his opinions. But after reading his letter, I feel disgusted, turned off and really cant contain what he just did. Ingon ani naba ka divided and mga artists sa cebu? Is there really a barrier to bisrock artists and the artists who make music in other language?
    Thinking about what he did, I know he is a great artist; a dignified one, but
    he should be the one to help these bands to become better, ug nga tabangan niya sa iyang insights sa iyang pagka artist. I just feel He's so selfish; a self-centered jerk. ug sa gi ingon pa sa akong boss, "gamay siyag utok"
    no he isn't selfish nor a jerk. just being an elitist...something the "lowlifes" can never understand. hehe. just kidding. well maybe that person you're referring has the right to say so afterall. maybe he feel the need to protect and preserve the "bisrock" he, had long fought for, if not started.

  10. #20

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    How to save it?

    - By not making songs that are too pop-sounding
    - By not making it seem like another novelty act
    - Stay away from the usual sounding Bisaya melody

    Quote Originally Posted by CuJo!!!
    truth is... i play for a band that writes songs in english but i also work closely with bands that sing in cebuano/visayan, in fact, the very first 2 bands i played with 11 yrs ago wrote in bisaya...
    CuJo!!!: I remember those bands, Aliwas and Dr. Wakwak. The latter, as far as I can remember, made songs that are in-your-face type with funny catchy lyrics and had musicians that have tons of talent. Hehehe. Those were the days...

    Those are the type of bisrock songs I wanna listen to.
    وليس هناك كعكه ، والكعكه هو كذبة.

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