conspiracy theories

[pinoy_09]

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I watch youtube. And I'm not into mysteries.
And read/hear Dan Brown's.

Wala na ko katugkad sa imong stand pinoy_69
Lawom na kaajo
MO-abot naman ka'g mga mystery books. Unsay labot ana?
Ahehehe.

Then you obviously didn't get my point when I made the mystery/thriller/ops books and Tom Clancy reference. I can see how you would scratch your head in confusion. Any more questions?

[Sand Man]

I'm not saying in any way that the US government cannot keep secrets since they do this everyday for National Security purposes. But to suggest that the government covered up criminal doings leading up to the events of 9/11 doesn't hold ground because there is no concrete evidence to support your THEORY.

How to prove that the 911 was done by the US Govt itself is Soul Doctor's stand. Don't confuse his stand with mine.

All I am saying is that there's something fishy in the way a 1,700+ tower just crumbles as if it has no backbone. All else is speculation after that since no clear evidence can be gleaned anymore.

The rubble that was examined by the investigators were brought back to the site and used to reclaim the area right? Unsaon na man to pag-verify if tinuod ba ang thermite or not?

No need to lecture of me on "secrets" because I read way too many thriller/mystery/ops novels. Again, the BIG question is how plausible is your theory that the mastermind is the US president, taking into consideration the number of people it needs to perpetrate a crime like this as opposed to your "SMALL CIRCLE" theory. The list of people can go on and it won't even fit a single page.

Don't confuse my analogy by saying na the US president was the mastermind. Although past US presidents have their share of fiascos (Iran-Contra affair, Watergate, etc), it goes without saying that it can be done.

Then we can agree to disagree.

Don't be too sensitive. You have a choice not to respond.

We can do a discussion in here by presenting your opinions and where you got them from. Put them up and we'll read them. Kapoyan lang ta ug naa pay extra pasingit bah... It's not what I come here for. I am not clear on what really happened during that day so I try to glean on as much material as I can. Why do you think I read the articles and look at the videos you people post up?

Mao sad na reason mangayo jud ko ug sources aning Doctor kay he tends to spew out too many stuff that I find quite unbelievable, or readily verifiable by a simple Google search.

[pinoy_09]

How to prove that the 911 was done by the US Govt itself is Soul Doctor's stand. Don't confuse his stand with mine.

All I am saying is that there's something fishy in the way a 1,700+ tower just crumbles as if it has no backbone. All else is speculation after that since no clear evidence can be gleaned anymore.

The rubble that was examined by the investigators were brought back to the site and used to reclaim the area right? Unsaon na man to pag-verify if tinuod ba ang thermite or not?

So now you're saying you stand on neutral ground. That's fine and I ain't holding that against you.

I believe I answered the hanging questions pertaining to the collapse (on a single post) as a response to Doc's questions, but he hasn't replied so far. Maybe he's busy with other things, so I'm not rushing him.

Don't confuse my analogy by saying na the US president was the mastermind. Although past US presidents have their share of fiascos (Iran-Contra affair, Watergate, etc), it goes without saying that it can be done.

I actually edited my post before you posted this and made a follow up comment saying that it doesn't necessarily mean the president can only be the mastermind.

We can do a discussion in here by presenting your opinions and where you got them from. Put them up and we'll read them. Kapoyan lang ta ug naa pay extra pasingit bah... It's not what I come here for. I am not clear on what really happened during that day so I try to glean on as much material as I can. Why do you think I read the articles and look at the videos you people post up?

Mao sad na reason mangayo jud ko ug sources aning Doctor kay he tends to spew out too many stuff that I find quite unbelievable, or readily verifiable by a simple Google search.

I try to avoid posting internet links as much as possible because they can be very misleading and confusing. Thus when I post I usually rely on the stuff I've read in the past both in publication and press/media.

[Soul Doctor]

I understand if contractors go there. There was a big issue when Blackwater opened a facility in Subic. Click here for the article. Kadto sila grabe jud to ug mga sweldo. Kadto daan gi-feature sa Magandang Gabi na pulis diri sauna then nag contractor sa Iraq, mansion dayon ang balay.

What I don't get is your claim na mismo mga sundalo nga nag-serve pa na niapil ug Balikatan pwede na makabuot ang US sna iadto sila sa Iraq. That's unheard of. Akong ig-agaw duha na ka Balikatan Exercises naapilan, naa pa man lagi siya sa Phil. Army?

Basin pasabot nimo former Philippine Army nya ni-retire na then nisud ug training sa Blackwater then niadto ug Iraq. Kana motoo ko ana...

murag ana tingale bai.
kay security consultant man ilang position.
bisan tingale ikaw pa sa ilang lugar, moretire kag ahat kung naay ingon ani nga offer or opportunity
kay layo ra kaayo sa atong sweldo diri.

as ive said, sorry passive ra kaayo akong pagtan-aw sa TV ato nga time.
Anyway, daghan man jud mo-oppose sa Balikatan nga mga politician kay wala lagi sa constitution.
Labi na tung mga left leaning noisy politicians.
Pero ang mga generals may ganahan ani kay kakwarta man gud sila.

Modonate sad og armas ug military vehicle, sometimes aircraft ang US para lang sa Balikatan exercises.
Infact katong rescue sa kidnapped hostages, US may nag-operate ato sa ilang mga high tech equipments para malocate asa ang mga kidnappers. wala man gud tay capability ani sa mga high-tech search and rescue operations. So, in short makatabang sad ni sila og sulbad sa atong problema when it comes to terrorists.
Walay problema na. Macontrol pa man tingale nato sila sa ilang pag-ari.

[Soul Doctor]

Makalagot sad bitaw ning uban diri, i-accuse dayon ka nga nagspread og dis-information, churva churvah.
unya kung dili ka uyon sa ilang opinion, personalon dayon kag atake, agi pasingit og mga panginuslto kay makapalusot man sila. Pero dili jud na angay unta ibutang diri.

Present mo sa facts.
counter sad mo sa debunks.
walay pugsanay og pabasa og mga documents nga klaro kaayong hinimo nga mga bakak kay mogamit man sad ta sa atong utok. Dili sad nato ipakamenos ang mga video nga naa sa youtube. ebedensya man na sa atong diskusyon diri.

Kung sa inyong pagsabot ang WTC Building 7 nahugno tongud sa sunog,
bisan sukad sukad wala pay nahitabo nga naay building nahugno tungod sa sunog.
Bahala na mo.
Inyo man sad na.
Wala man sad tay pugsanay diri.

Pasagdi lang nga mopadayon and diskusyon diri.
Ayaw mo pangbara, panghadlok nga nga isira ang thread.
Mas hapsay man sad gyud unta ang diskusyon kung wala pa ning mga inisog ug hinambog nga mga post ba.
Personal man gud inyong tirada.
Kalma lang.

[Soul Doctor]

Of course its not just INTELLIGENCE thats why i am seeing lots of CRAZY and RIDICULOUS arguments in here now .

True ... PRIDE is one that holds it . How is your PRIDE dok ? Should you be addressing it like these " WE can not accept to OURSELVES that WE are wrong." instead of "They can not accept to themselves that they are wrong." ... otherwise you are implying again na SAKTO ka .

How did you summed up all that speculation dok ?

Of course it is a CONSPIRACY THEORY because people like you who are CONSPIRACY THEORY NUTS loves to make it look like something else . Although , sometime worth the time to read maski ridiculous and to some point hilarious .

Prove it .

Are you suggesting that you are so brave and you are not scared for your life that these gentlemen might go after you for exposing them ? Wake up dok !!

By the way , you really believed that dili si OBL ang architect sa 9-11 attack ? of cours eman pod if mo tuo ka , you will be contradicting your statements from day 1 !! Maski kontra sa buot nimo na you really do believed na si OBL man gyud ang mastermind but for the sake of argument lols .... agree ka sa post ni SKULLS . pastilan ninyong duha oi .

Ikaw mao pastilan Springfield.
Kanus-a man ko niingon nga kontra sa akong buot ang motuo nga innocent si Bin Laden.
Since day 1 sa 911 attack I know nga inside job to.
No doubt about it.
Judging from the way the building collapsed.
I just did not know why.
Pero karon nga naa nay youtube.
Nanggawas ang mga information nga dili gusto ipagawas sa US government, hinayhinay nga masabtan nato nganung inside job to siya.
False Flag Operations diay ang tawag ana.
Wala gani ko kahibaw nga naa ba na nga strategy sa military nga gigamit sa U.S. before.

naa koy gipost nga interview with OBL, siya mismo nideny sa iyang involvement, which is uncommon sa mga terrorist nga nagitag press mileage. That means he must be telling the truth.
Pwede gud niya sakyan unta ni nga issue.


Pero masakiton man tawn ni si Bin Laden oi.
Dili sad ni siya gusto madaut iyang ngalan labi na hapit na siya mamatay.
He have to clear his name, which is normal if you are innocent of the accusations.

Nganong gipatay man sad si Bin Laden?
Pwede ra man jud unta to nilang makuha nga buhi.
Daghan untang pangutana nga matubag kung ila rang gidakop si bin laden.
Pero nganung patyon man?
Dili kaha patay na to daan pag-abot nila?

[pinoy_09]

Makalagot sad bitaw ning uban diri, i-accuse dayon ka nga nagspread og dis-information, churva churvah.
unya kung dili ka uyon sa ilang opinion, personalon dayon kag atake, agi pasingit og mga panginuslto kay makapalusot man sila. Pero dili jud na angay unta ibutang diri.

Present mo sa facts.
counter sad mo sa debunks.
walay pugsanay og pabasa og mga documents nga klaro kaayong hinimo nga mga bakak kay mogamit man sad ta sa atong utok. Dili sad nato ipakamenos ang mga video nga naa sa youtube. ebedensya man na sa atong diskusyon diri.

Kung sa inyong pagsabot ang WTC Building 7 nahugno tongud sa sunog,
bisan sukad sukad wala pay nahitabo nga naay building nahugno tungod sa sunog.
Bahala na mo.
Inyo man sad na.
Wala man sad tay pugsanay diri.

Pasagdi lang nga mopadayon and diskusyon diri.
Ayaw mo pangbara, panghadlok nga nga isira ang thread.
Mas hapsay man sad gyud unta ang diskusyon kung wala pa ning mga inisog ug hinambog nga mga post ba.
Personal man gud inyong tirada.
Kalma lang.

Nobody's insulting somebody. Murag ako man imong giigo ani nga post. Kalma lang pud. Storya-storya raman ta diri. Gawas ug storyabot na aw lain nanang storyaha. There's nothing wrong if I see a post that is beyond ridiculous.

Debunk? I've debunked your theories yet wala ka ni reply. Here's that post:

https://www.istorya.net/forums/10030646-post820.html

I'm waiting.

[Soul Doctor]

Nobody's insulting somebody. Murag ako man imong giigo ani nga post. Kalma lang pud. Storya-storya raman ta diri. Gawas ug storyabot na aw lain nanang storyaha. There's nothing wrong if I see a post that is beyond ridiculous.

Debunk? I've debunked your theories yet wala ka ni reply. Here's that post:

https://www.istorya.net/forums/10030646-post820.html

I'm waiting.

Are you serious?
Mao to imong tubag?

Walay fact ato bai. puro ra to hunahuna nimo.
1100 degrees , dugmuka osa ang concrete nga gaputos sa stell frames osa nimo maabot ang steel frame. unsaon nimog dugmok sa concrete? kung wala kay explosives. o basin lanayon na sad nimo ang concrete at 1100 degrees.

kasabot kag "heat sink effect"?

bisan unsa pa kainit sa fire nimo (binisay-on na lang nako para kasabot jud ka)
dili malanay ang metal kay ipasa ra niya ang heat ngadto sa tibuok niya nga structure.
Mao nay quality sa steel. iya rang i-conduct ang heat ngadto sa iyang kinatibuk-an nga mass.
Mao nay "heat sink effect".
So walay posibilidad nga malanay ang mga steel frame kung fuel lang sa jetliner ang pasigahon.

mao bitaw nga kung tan-awon nimo sa history sa mga buildings nga nangasunog, walay usa nga nahugno sama sa WTC. never in history of fires nga nacollapse ang whole structure. usually ang core columns ang magpabiling magbarug. Bisan pila ka adlaw pa nagpadayon og siga ang fire.

[pinoy_09]

Hi all,

If you believe that the Moon landings were a hoax, and that 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government, you need to have your heads checked. They've all been debunked and disproved to death, and yet people will insist that "they've covered it all up". Please do the world a favor and grow up.

Wikipedia has a nice summary of those two conspiracy theories:

9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moon landing conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's the MAJOR problem with conspiracy theories as huge as these: the immense scale of the conspiracy, the number of people involved, and the convoluted plot, eventually makes the conspiracy collapse upon itself. Think about the number of people involved in the US government during 9/11, and NASA during the Moon landings. I think there were like hundreds of thousands of people involved. Don't you think that by now, that there'd be LEAKS of these coverups?

You give too much credit for the US government in the way that they keep their secrets, but the reality is, they don't have a very clean record of keeping secrets (see: Wikileaks, Watergate, Iran Contra Affair, Pentagon papers for clear examples of US secrets not staying secret for long)

I don't think anybody ever quoted this wonderful post. So there...

[pinoy_09]

Are you serious?
Mao to imong tubag?

Walay fact ato bai. puro ra to hunahuna nimo.
1100 degrees , dugmuka osa ang concrete nga gaputos sa stell frames osa nimo maabot ang steel frame. unsaon nimog dugmok sa concrete? kung wala kay explosives. o basin lanayon na sad nimo ang concrete at 1100 degrees.

kasabot kag "heat sink effect"?

bisan unsa pa kainit sa fire nimo (binisay-on na lang nako para kasabot jud ka)
dili malanay ang metal kay ipasa ra niya ang heat ngadto sa tibuok niya nga structure.
Mao nay quality sa steel. iya rang i-conduct ang heat ngadto sa iyang kinatibuk-an nga mass.
Mao nay "heat sink effect".
So walay posibilidad nga malanay ang mga steel frame kung fuel lang sa jetliner ang pasigahon.

Those are the FACTS. Look it up.

If you can't accept the FACTS, as you've always demonstrated in this thread, then what's the use for continuing this 9/11 discussion? You've presented your "claim", I've debunked them, you don't accept it---so what's the sense? Mag tuyok-tuyok na lang ta?