Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[bronson]

good posts now from anti-RH bill. dili na balik2x
btw, madunggan kaha ni ato mga reklamo/pag-uyon? asa ta makahatag ug input na mu-abot sad sa mga nag trabaho sa RH bill?

a few points or questions..

1. If you want restrictions sa access to medically safe, legal, effective, quality and affordable reproductive health supplies and services for minors, Do you want to put a clause there that they need a parent's consent before they are given access to such? If not, what do you suggest?
I guess you can't ban them from such because everyone undergoes RH development.

2. Why blame corruption for not supporting the bill? Will you ignore a good law just because corruption is currently rampant? Dapat wala nalang ta bala-od kung mao na... kay halos tanan gi korakot naman. Kana gani unnecessary bonuses sa gov't employees linked to corruption man gihapon na.
It is useful when implemented properly. So I don't use corruption as a basis for going against a good bill or law. Unless it is stated there that they are not punishable for it.

3. S*x Ed for grade 5? hmmm why not? as enumerated there, there are different topics on S*x Ed. Don't assume na inig sugod sa grade 5 ang itudlo kay unsaon pag-tusok nga dili ma buntis si maria. Sexuality develops as early as that age. So understanding their own body isn't a bad idea. Tan-aw ninyo? Kung ganahan mo, ipabutang nato nga dapat naay parent's consent sad kung mag tudlo na sila ug safe s*x? Or ipabutang nato nga dapat invited ang parents sa classroom kung mag discuss na mahitungod safe s*x?
How do you want it to be done?

4. Yes, barangay health workers and officials will be the strongest factor to make the implementation of this bill work. To good to be true? yes at this point. But if we don't start now, then when?
With the problem on insurgency and terrorism on some towns, will you let the majority wait and suffer because some towns are still incapable of doing it? Passing this bill won't make them more terrified. But yes, the gov't should address those problems but not in this bill.

5. I stated this on my previous post. RH Bill does NOT give rights to 2 minors or unmarried adults to have s*x. Asa man ka kita ug balaod na gi-bawal na? Kung wala na gibawal, then wala sad gahatag ug right ang RH bill ana. Pasabot, bisan unsa pa tinuhu-an ninyo, gitagaan mo ug freedom nga mu-decide ana nga mga butang. Kung bawal o OK sa relihiyon ninyo, wla nay labot ang State ana. Mao nay separation of state and church. Basta kung naa gyud magkinahanglan sa serbisyo, walay discrimination.

6. Naka define ba sa Philippine laws kung unsa gyud ang abortion? when is it considered an abortion? Kay sa ako nabasa, abortion is punishable by law but as stated diri sa uban, contraceptives causes abortion daw.
Naa man ta regulatory board for legal drugs. So if a drug is classified na for abortion gyud, logically it will be illegal to distribute and use such drug.
Nya mao sad ni problema sa gobyerno kung mag discuss daw sa CBCP kay maabot daw sila sa definition sa abortifacient drugs.

kana lang sa...

[vipvip68]

1. what other choice we had other than condom and diaphragm? Anything which have to do with hormones have abortifacient effect. Medical professional can concur to that.

Condom, Diaphragm, Spermicide, Cervical Cap, Ligation, Vasectomy.

I merely corrected you when you said that most contraceptives are abortifacients. The methods above are proven already and do not even need a debate.

The big debate here is with regards to the birth control pill as health care professionals have differing views on whether these pills actually are abortifacients.

Would the church then accept the bill if it only allowed contraceptives like (Condom, Diaphragm, Spermicide, Cervical Cap)?

4. I know its not a popular choice i already stated that but tell me whats the difference if we dont have RH bill and RH bill that doesnt limit the number of children, i see none both cant control population growth. 1-2 child policy is the only way to go, people who thinks that over population is a problem should be open to that! thats what i keep saying. If you are Pro RH you should be open to that, how many times did they draft/redraft the bill to include and not to include Ideal Family Size. What you see now are pinoy families with 3.5 kids per average, when we should be targeting 2.5 kids how can RH solve that. If a family targets 3-5 kids in average in 15-20 years of marriage that wont curb our population. And please dont be blinded that Pinoy families arent using contraceptives. The fact is the family spacing you see today had been made possible also by contraceptive use. Even without RH, govt/NGO are giving away contraceptives and family planning services, and its pretty much visible that there are plenty of contraceptives avaiable in stores nationwide.

There is a big difference... the RH Bill offers people a CHOICE. It allows people to decide for themselves and educates them of available family planning methods they can use.

Many people also focus too much on the contraceptives issue that they are not able to understand what the bill is actually about which is to improve and provide equal access to reproductive health through education and health services.

Your 1-2 child policy will never reach past the 1st reading in congress. You have to be realistic about what bills you come up with because we hold very dear to our hearts the freedoms that we enjoy here in the Philippines being a democratic republic.

People are starting to use contraceptives, but there are still many who have no concept of family planning, uneducated and poor people who do not have access to or cannot afford birth control. That is why the RHB will make contraceptives available to these people.

You yourself acknowledge that family spacing has been caused by NGO's providing contraceptives. This should be evidence enough for you to realize that making these contraceptives available will lower the average children per family. The state should be helping these NGO's and promote family spacing and the way to do it is to pass the RHB.

5. manual labor is a common thing in the rural areas thats why we see families with large numbers of children. And i keep telling people here how can you stop Pro life families into limiting their children's number? the more the merrier lagi na sa ila. If the bill doesnt forcibly limit family size then what good we will get in curbing our population, we are spending billions on a questionable results.

see your post above... you already said that "(The) family spacing you see today had been made possible also by contraceptive use"

We are ALREADY spending billions in health centers and schools just trying to cope with the hundreds upon thousands of children born everyday. The cost of a few condoms will more than make up for the cost that child will be to raise + the strain on healthcare, education... this does not include the human cost of that child living a life of poverty, hunger, malnutrition, crime, prostitution etc etc.

Yes i agree opportunities is something far lacking in our country but ways to improve opportunities should be the primary concerns. there are ways to do it which the govt are hesitant to do.

I have no problems with this.... I would just like to re-emphasize that I would rather have a good enough number of highly educated and skilled workers earning a lot to uplift their family's standard of living than a handful of under educated, low skilled workers that compete with each other for low paying jobs.

We should focus on improving our quality... not just quantity.

6. I have soft condom stand so does the many others even priests. My anti RH stand on the bill doesnt completely about religion but rather i question results and consequences esp in the business aspect (business people are force to meet RH demands of their employees).

what demands are you referring to regarding businesses?

Can you state the specific provision / provisions?

So far, I can only gather this with regards to employers

SEC. 17. Employers’ Responsibilities. – Employers shall respect the reproductive health rights of all their workers. Women shall not be discriminated against in the matter of hiring, regularization of employment status or selection for retrenchment.

Plus i would rather see my tax money spend elsewhere. And we are not a welfare state. If people doesnt want the consequence of *** , they buy their own condom

Your hard earned money is already being spent in health centers, schools and skill training facilities just to keep up with the excessive amount of people that we have to provide for. To put it bluntly, you will actually end up spending less if that child had not been conceived rather than being born and go through a hard life.

[code_blue]

I disagree to those who disagree on RH Bill, even the land of the popes eg. Holland suggests pills, contraceptives and so many things just to lessen unwanted pregnancies

[messy_meh]

I disagree to those who disagree on RH Bill, even the land of the popes eg. Holland suggests pills, contraceptives and so many things just to lessen unwanted pregnancies

you may disagree to me who disagree on RH bill but the decision is still in each of our hands.. i mostly disagree on part in which the government will spend a lot of money for these contraceptives..

[Wham!]

Catholic bank owned pill shares
source: BBC News

"A Roman Catholic bank in Germany has apologised after admitting it bought stocks in defence, tobacco and birth control companies.

Der Spiegel newspaper discovered the bank had invested 580,000 euros (£495,310, $826,674) in British arms company BAE Systems.

It also invested 160,000 euros in American birth control pill maker Wyeth and 870,000 euros in tobacco companies"... --- Full article here: BBC News

[Faeries]

The five-point position on responsible parenthood of President Benigno S. Aquino III:

1. I am against abortion.

2. I am in favor of giving couples the right to choose how best to manage their families so that in the end, their welfare and that of their children are best served.

3. The State must respect each individual’s right to follow his or her conscience and religious convictions on matters and issues pertaining to the unity of the family and the sacredness of human life from conception to natural death.

4. In a situation where couples, especially the poor and disadvantaged ones, are in no position to make an informed judgment, the State has the responsibility to so provide.

5. In the range of options and information provided to couples, natural family planning and modern methods shall be presented as equally available.

Posted April 18, 2011

President Aquino

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Catholic bank owned pill shares
source: BBC News

"A Roman Catholic bank in Germany has apologised after admitting it bought stocks in defence, tobacco and birth control companies.

Der Spiegel newspaper discovered the bank had invested 580,000 euros (£495,310, $826,674) in British arms company BAE Systems.

It also invested 160,000 euros in American birth control pill maker Wyeth and 870,000 euros in tobacco companies"... --- Full article here: BBC News

this what you call their vow of poverty!

[vulture08]

i think maau n cya nga balaud...Para sad matudloan ta ug sakto pamaagi....

[antijustin]

daghanang DAMASO diri japon ui....di mo ganahan molambo ang pinas? ang paglambo para nako kay ang mga tawo kay mahimong mga RESPONSABLE MAMAMAYAN.... this bill i believe will make all those who are uneducated and be aware of their kids and not just creating dozens of kids without food to feed their children...tsk tsk

[gleestar]

ibasura ang rh bill