Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[ryeaka]

Mao na against sila bro or sis kay wa man sila kawitness ug mga ingon ana. Kana gud ingon sa doktora nga wa jud sya kita naa bisan usa ka pari niadto ug nitabang sa mga kabus sa public hospitals. Also, what do they Know in raising children when they don't have any experience at all? I am a mom of two but ive been begging my ob gyne to perform tubal ligation on me. Why? Because i know if madungagan pa akong anak di na nako mahatag ang nindot nga future nila. Sayon ra para nila ang moingon nga sala nang magtake ug contracveptives. Pero diba mas dakong sala kung mapasagdahan nato ang mga anak kay di na ma-ato? Painful kaayo for a mom nga tanan plano niya sa future sa iya mga anak di mahitabo kay sa kadaghan walay saktong ikagasto.

[endlessknight]

This is a news clip:

Disiplina pagpugong ug di kontraseptibo - Vidal

CEBU, Philippines - Disiplina sa kaugalingon ug dili kontraseptibo, kini ang gipadayag ni Cebu Archbishop Emeritus Ricardo Cardinal Vidal atol sa iyang wali sa Santos nga Misa atol sa kapistahan sa Shrine of St. Joseph niadtong Sabado didto sa syudad sa Mandaue.

Atol sa maong Santos nga Misa nga gitambungan sa gatusan ka mga debotong katoliko sa Mandaue, wala masipyat si Vidal sa pagtuki sa isyu sa Reproductive Health Bill nga hugot nga gibabagan sa simbahan.

Dungan sa nagkainit nga debate mahitungod sa kontrobersiyal nga RH Bill nga gipasa ngadto sa Kongreso, si Vidal subling mipadayag sa iyang pagsupak ug mipahimangno sa mga katoliko nga ang maong balaudnon dili tubag sa isyu sa pagsaka sa populasyon sa nasud.

“Ang pagbansay diha sa pagpugong sa kaugalingon mao gyud ang timaan sa presensya sa Dios diha sa inyong kalag,” matud pa ni Vidal. “Ang contraceptives gud gidili sa Simbahan tungod kay kini dili makatabang sa self-discipline.”

Gihulagway usab ni Vidal ang mga magbabalaod ug kadtong mga pro-RH bill nga sama sa usa ka konsentidor nga ginikanan nga dili makamao nga modisiplina sa ilang anak.

“Tan-awa pananglit ang bata nga kanunay’ng depensahan sa ginikanan. Bisan unsay buhaton sa bata, ilaha gyung protektahan, mao nga dili na makita sa bata ang koneksyon sa iyang gibuhat ug sa epekto niini,” sigun pa ni Vidal.

Gibutyag usab sa 80-anyos nga kanhi Arsobispo sa Sugbu nga ang rason ug nganong supak ang simbahan sa RH Bill tungod kay inay magdala og kalinaw ug pagmahal, mohimo na hinuon kini og lunangan sa sala ug sa kadautan sa usa ka banay. (BANAT NEWS)


Comment:

Gahi kaayo ang Catholic Church. Abstinence gihapon ang ilang "solution" sa issue. Kung ubang pari man gani di kapugong, si Juan dela Cruz pa kaha?

[Romeojin]

germojin -> im not crying to mods, if thats war you want, then war you get ger germojer...

No matter what you ******mojin say,.... PRO RH BILL here.. were not terrorists also by your so called GOD

Dont drag me unto your childish war mobawii pud ko pikon bya kaayo ka.

No one saying you are a terrorist you atheist btw?

[Romeojin]

i am a medical professional and i am pro RH Bill

let me answer this... this is my opinion about the issues that you raised.

you claim that RH Bill will promote more *** and more PMS. with or without RH Bill, there are so many things that can promote more ***. There are already existing factors that contribute to it. RH Bill has nothing to do with the values instilled in the minds of our young ones. I think it will be the responsibility of the parents to teach their children the right values, the right attitude.

fatherless children - if people have the knowledge about contraception, they can freely choose which methods they will use to prevent geting pregnant including NFP. how can that increase the number of fatherless children when no one's getting pregnant?

decline of marriage, crimes committed by unmarried men, social pathology - im not getting why this is included here. if this was explained on the previous threads, sorry wasnt able to read it kapoy na basa hehe. but for me, it is always the state-of-mind of a person that will lead to these kind of situations.

poverty - take a look around, who has more children? diba mga pobre? will it be a lot of help if we teach them to prevent from getting pregnant again and again? i have talked to a lot of our less unfortunate women struggling for ways to prevent pregnancy. why are some people so selfish as to depriving them of this opportunity to lessen their burden?

breakdown of families, female impoverishment, trouble in the relationship between the sexes - state-of-mind again. i really dont get why you say these is correlated with RH Bill

heightened spread of AIDS - hello? how do you prevent HIV transmission? best way? abstinence. but can you implement that on two people who are madly inlove with each other? hehe. another way is engaging only in a monogamous relationship (make sure though your partner is not infected yet. but the most practical way of preventing HIV transmission is using condoms. also, isnt this one of the goals of the RH bill? It says in Section 4g #6 6. Prevention and management of reproductive tract infections (RTIs), HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmittable infections (STIs).

single mothers - naa gani contraception so walay mabuntis nya managhan manuon ni? ieducate pajud ang katawhan diba? tsktsktsk

we are not forced to follow this bill. it is never stated that those who dont use contraceptives will be put in jail. in fact everyone is given the freedom to choose which method they will use. or if they won't use any method at all. some may say, why not just go for NFP (Natural Family Planning), basin nakalimot mo naa mga babae nga dili normal ang regla? hehe

hahay balik naman ni.

Opinions na pud, i cant believe it you join istorya to aired opinions, basin another account imong gamit. I can contradict your opinions with my own opinions, to what end? the bottom line is those issues are not my own opinions but rather empirical data collected as the effect widespread use of contraceptives

Please stop airing personal opinions esp when you quote me. but to answer i will quote some.

abortion - kani jud. naglibog ko nanu i-insist jud ni ninyo... contraceptives prevent ovulation (inhibits fertility) thus preventing fertilization-conception-implantation. condoms, IUD prevents the union of the sperm and the egg. what is there to abort when nothing is formed?

Oral contraceptives (more commonly known as pills), hormonal injectables and Intra-Uterine Devices (IUDs) are all artificial contraceptives. Unfortunately, most people are not aware that they are, indeed, abortifacient. A review of the various literatures on these contraceptives will show that each of them has an efficacy rate that is less than 100 percent because fertilization (the meeting of egg cell and sperm cell, which leads to the conceptus) is not absolutely prevented.

For instance, the IUD does not prevent ovulation and so fertilization may occur several times in the span of time the device is in the womb of the woman. However, most of the fetuses will not be able to implant themselves because there is an “appliance” in the womb that prevents them from doing so. This is why the IUD is abortifacient.

In the case of the pill, ovulation and fertilization can still occur and doctors have seen this in their practice. They have seen patients with abnormal bleeding and positive pregnancy tests despite their taking the pill, which proves that fertilization had indeed occurred. Unfortunately, the pill, whether oral, patch or injectable renders the uterus hostile to implantation. And this is what makes it abortifacient.

that had been proven here time and time again please backcread. heres some links, theres hundreds out there.

Medical Primer on RH Bill
Do birth control pills cause abortions? | Chastity.com
They Never Told Us That Our Birth Control May be Killing Our Pre-Born Children
http://fmmh.ycdsb.ca/teachers/F00027..._pill_iud.html
Facts About Abortion: Which Birth Control Methods Cause Abortion?
Birth Control Pill Causes Abortions -- Pro-Life America, Celebs expose abortion! Celebrities, Speakers, TV, Radio, Videos and Literature to help save moms and babies from the pain and suffering of abortion. Save *** for marriage and choose life, not
Doctors ask DOH to ban 'abortifacients' - Nation - GMA News Online - Latest Philippine News

PMA says so, so does AMA so does the many oby and gyne here and abroad. You are in the medical field man kaha whats your inputs to these and why should people listen to you when theres so many doctors around the world says what it is.

PMS is rampant, most are in live in - duh daghan na nagbuhat ana rn... and hey! it's their choice, we cant do anything about it. with or without RH Bill, sa ato panahon karon, daghan jud mosulod ug ingon ana kay lahi na biya ato panahon rn

Tell that to your fellow PRO RH named yiennahs, I know PMS is increasing im not denying that, you misread my post. The question does RH bill will lead to more occurrence considering we are giving RH rights to teens, they have the right to ask contraceptives even without their parents knowledge.

teenage pregnancy is more common here than in the US or UK - of course kay wa man nato tagae ug saktong edukasyon ang mga bata... with the RH bill, this will be decreased. why? obvious kau ang tubag oie. they will be educated and will be taught ways to prevent getting pregnant. kay di man sad ta kabuot nila nga di nalang sila jud magkig *** nga wa pa ang RH Bill nagkig *** naman sila diba?

Like i said it is unverified, please show your data that we had more teenage pregnancies than in US and UK cause every statistics i research shows US and UK had more teenage pregnancies than ours. And US had sexual revolution, *** ed, RH rights to teen giving contraceptives to teens. Why still there are a lot of teenage pregnancies? why should we follow US footsteps beh? You thinks we can do better than US? I already stated *** ed will lead to sexual liberation thats what Sigmund Freud had said thats what you see at the US. Yes indeed in the US they are open in giving contraceptives to students, do you think Pinoy parent are open to that?

And again like what i said.. good or bad.. we dont need RH bill to institutionalize *** education! in fact *** ed had been integrated into science class since the 1970s. Whats wrong with the bill, we are giving access to contraceptives to adolescent/teens when we are telling them not to engage *** and think/plan to make their lives productive until then they can sit back and plan their own family.

I thought the general idea is not to mislead the people ?

[Romeojin]

I think the survey doesn't represent the entire Filipino people.
Maybe my opinion were posted already by some istoryans but I will just share my opinion.
RH bill maybe one of the biggest issue in our country today, It may address our over population problem or It may not address the issue.
Filipino (pro's and anti) banging each other giving their own opinion and thoughts regarding this Bill.
One of the biggest ANTI-RH bill is the Catholic Church, which compose of 75-80% of our population.
My questions:
1. What will be the alternative actions of ANTI-RH bill if this Bill is not pro-life?
2. How many newly born Filipino in a minute?
3. How many mother died because of unwanted pregnancy?
4. What would be the estimated population growth 10 years from now?
5. What class of the population has many children beyond their capacity?
6. If Catholic church keep on denying this bill, what should or what must be the action?

For the moments, these are just my questions that needs to be answered by ANTI-RH bill followers or the self proclaimed PRO LIFE.
Because how can you call its LIFE if we are over populated and poverty is the biggest issue needs to be addressed by the administration.

Peace!

Every time pro or anti RH advocates made a survey it all favors them. 80% had agree on the bill according to the PR RH another survey says 95% disagree with the bill according to the anti RH. which is which ?

the poll is based on text, facebook and twitter, i bet this poll had much many respondents.

heres my answer:
1. do NFP otherwise buy your won contraceptives ! theres no law preventing anyoneto buy contraceptives but please limit your contraceptives into condoms cause nearly all contraceptives had abortifacient effect.

2. i do not know this one, more or less the same as how many people die in a minute

3. depends on the location if their an available birthing center or good hospital in the area.

4. 100s of millions. unless we enforce 1 -2 child policy we will still grows significantly. we will be spending billions on RH and yet questionable results lol cause i bet more than 3 gihapon ang mga anak per family average.

5. the poor esp in the rural areas, cause they want more children for their livelihoods.

6. NFP or otherwise abstinence. i know its hard thats why personally i would recommend to buy their own condom we dont need a bill with many flaws.

[Romeojin]

let me add something, since some anti RH bill advocates are against *** education and one here already claimed that three of the PRO RH bill advocates said that teenage pregnancies are more common here than in the US or UK... common sense lang... in the US or UK, even the parents are the ones making sure that their children practice safe ***... lets face the inevitable... with or without RH Bill, the number of teenagers engaging into PMS will increase... we all know that the media is playing a huge part in this.

but what you don't get is that with the RH Bill, the youth will be educated. they will be taught the disadvantages of engaging into PMS in an early age especially with the diseases that they may get if they are careless.

with the RH Bill, people will be taught methods on how to prevent conception. thus, decreasing the number of abortion and number of fetuses left in garbage dumps or in the streets...

a lot of educated people are already using contraceptive methods even without this RH Bill. isn't it fair enough to also share this with the unfortunate ones? as i've said before mostly poor people are the ones who has the most number of children and everytime they get pregnant, trust me, all they can think of is buy ****** in the pharmacy to attempt in aborting the baby.

let us be open-minded. let us speak the truth and stop misleading people. not all people have read the Bill and they solely depend on what others say especially the Church's side.

the teenage pregnancies rate here is unverified. do remember we don not want to mislead people man kaha

The US and UK had done what you said did they decrease teenage pregnancies? what makes you think we will fare better? i raise this question a lot of times why no one answering it?

Plus *** education is not a popular choice! They even a parent group sued DepEd. Masangit lang gyud ning RH bill tungod ani, plus we dont need RH bill for this, *** ed had been taught for decades na but not that comprehensive in teaching contraceptives use. Statistic shows country like Japan and Korea had low teenage pregnancies even though they dont teach teens on how to ue contraceptives this statistics can well relate to our case cause we have low teen pregnancies compared toUS and UK, go visit every school and universities and find out how many do get pregnant.

I will share an article to you.

The *** Education Module has been in place in the Philippines since the 1970’s - at the time entitled population education program - and the second edition was implemented in 1992. So this current 3rd edition now entitled Reproductive Health is not new except that it is much more explicit on sexual techniques rather than values education. These modules were patterned after the *** Information and Education Modules of the U.S. (SIECUS) originally developed by Mary Calderone and Alfred Kinsey of Kinsey Institute and was implemented in the American schools in the 1960's. If some educators find some of its contents pornographic, it is because Kinsey Institute also supports materials like Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler based on the research work of Eichel and Judith Reisman ( Ref.
enclosed).

The dismal outcome of these modules on the sexual morality of young people were evident on the fact that by 1991 the U.S. Institute of Research disclosed that 55 % of the kids aged 15-19 are sexually active although unmarried. So it is no wonder that we are also reaping the fruits of these modules in our country today. THE REASON WE SEE INCREASED CASUAL SEXUAL ACTIVITY AMONG THE YOUNG IS NOT BECAUSE THEY LACK INFORMATION BUT BECAUSE THE WERE GIVEN TOO MUCH OF IT, TOO SOON, AND INAPPROPRIATELY. *** WAS REDUCED TO JUST WHAT PEOPLE DO RATHER THAN AN EXPRESSION OF WHO THEY ARE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF MARRIAGE.

To address this problem responsible and concerned parents in America banded together to start home schooling which was initiated by the Methodist and subsequently many more Christians and Catholics followed so that by 1999 over 2 million kids in America are in home schooling. They were observed to do better in performance in math, science, language, literature, etc. because the children were focused on the appropriate learning skills. More importantly these kids have high moral standards. As the people behind this movement say they will be the bright future of America.

Human reproduction must be taught in biology scientifically similar to the way all the other organ systems are taught e.g. the circulatory, the respiratory, the gastrointestinal, etc. so that young people will appreciate the value of human life from the moment of conception and its different stages of development until the baby is born. Consequently they will treat every human life with respect. Since Human Sexuality is multifaceted, the emotional, social, and spiritual dimensions of spousal relationship and its responsibility can be discussed in social studies and values and character education. It need not be taught is all subjects including math, language, literature,etc in a spiralling curriculum which is unnecessary.

Medical Primer on RH Bill

Sorry for the caps. like i said Freud is right that *** education will liberate students, the best way is to sexual oppressed them/tell them not to engage in ***. It had worked well with us right?

[Romeojin]

Filipino Free Thinkers site lol pa pro2x ra man na sila just to have confrontation with Church and other religion.

[kairosart]

Catholic priests shut up! Pass the rh bill!

[kairosart]

Until those hypocrites feeds the hungry on a daily basis, the RH bill should be passed. Until those hypocrites knows how to raise a family, the RH bill should be passed. Let the government do its duty until you hypocrites pay your TAXES!

[bronson]

Some poster here claim that sensible posts of people here are merely opinions.
Well tell you what, that is called reading with comprehension and analysis.
You don't just read and post whatever it is. You don't even realize it does not apply to current situations.
You are isolating the subjects to merely being exposed to the proposed RH bill ONLY. Well FYI, concept of s*x are widespread in all forms of popular media. Now your pointing out that Freud tell us that s*x Ed liberates us to the act. But did you even try to analyze and find out what are the other more dominant factors around that promotes s*x nowadays?
I am not suppose to spoon feed this to you... because I posted this earlier on but you just don't get it. I guess you just don't think.

And hey, MOST of the people against the bill are the misinformed ones. Misinformed by the Church. I have talked to some and they even mentioned "Giving birth to more than 2 kids will put them to prison" that is why they are against it. WOW.... wala man lang gani nakabasa... counted na as against RH bill.

And the issue here for overpopulation... well there is no overpopulation if you are talking about the whole country. But the very problem here is the overpopulation and saturation of big families that are unable to provide basic needs of food and education to their children. If you'll have more of that, then more people will be crying out that they are very poor and can barely eat 1 meal a day. Let's stop the non-sense already.

And another thing, RH Bill does NOT give rights to 2 minors or unmarried adults to have s*x. Asa man ka kita ug balaod na gi-bawal na? Kung wala na gibawal, then wala sad gahatag ug right ang RH bill ana. Pasabot, bisan unsa pa tinuhu-an ninyo, gitagaan mo ug freedom nga mu-decide ana nga mga butang. Kung bawal o OK sa relihiyon ninyo, wla nay labot ang State ana. Mao nay separation of state and church. Basta kung naa gyud magkinahanglan sa serbisyo, walay discrimination.

makasabot kaha ka? o mag post nasad ka ug statistics or studies without further analysis?