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    Sa atong pagtoo(faith in a good sense ha) ngano daghan man gusto mobikil? Like why do people have to start provoking statements such that makakita ug argument? Then unhan ka ug peace para ingnon ikaw ang sad-an?

    Isn't faith personal? For example, fingolfin (gamit sa ko sa imohang pagtoo bai ha), if dili siya motoo ug Ginoo, instead of sharing to him nga naay Ginoo, ngano makiglalis naman nuon? If lain ug tinuhuan, like angelfyre (katoliko), do I have to argue with her para maprove nako nga ako ray sakto?

    Am asking such questions since daghan na jud kaayo tawo sa kalibutan, especially ra relihiyon nga side, nga makiglalis pirme.

    Wala ko'y plano manaut ha, example lang ni, try to check gemTV ug unTV, nindot unta nga mga channel kay naghisgot ug Ginoo pero pakapinan jud ug panaut sa isigkatawo.

    Sa motoo ug Ginoo:
    Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    Sa dili motoo ug Ginoo (not antichrists ha):
    Follow what I say, do not follow what I do.

    Example; usa ka tawo moingon nga dapat magbuhat ug maayo then tulisan diay.

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    Junmar4 wrote:
    Sa atong pagtoo(faith in a good sense ha) ngano daghan man gusto mobikil? Like why do people have to start provoking statements such that makakita ug argument? Then unhan ka ug peace para ingnon ikaw ang sad-an?


    Your statement doesn't need to have a genius mind and need to be investigated, you are referring to me my friend.
    All of my post have peace!. About para ingnon ikaw ang sad-an is your personal interpretation.

    Peace means Christ,
    Ephesians 2:13-14 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

    Junmar4 wrote:
    Isn't faith personal? For example, fingolfin (gamit sa ko sa imohang pagtoo bai ha), if dili siya motoo ug Ginoo, instead of sharing to him nga naay Ginoo, ngano makiglalis naman nuon? If lain ug tinuhuan, like angelfyre (katoliko), do I have to argue with her para maprove nako nga ako ray sakto?

    Kinsa may nakiglalis? I'm just trying to show my proof from the verses of the bible.
    Its like this kung walay hubag ang tawo dili ka mahadlok hikapon bisag asa.

    Junmar4 wrote:
    Wala ko'y plano manaut ha, example lang ni, try to check gemTV ug unTV, nindot unta nga mga channel kay naghisgot ug Ginoo pero pakapinan jud ug panaut sa isigkatawo.

    Kini maoy saktong panaot kay walay ebidensya nga nanaut mi (you're mentioning unTV which ADD programs being aired).
    Give you example: if imo koral guba nya moingon ko og guba imo koral bai, nanaut ko or nagsulti ko og tinuod?

    When Bro. Eli mention the practice of the bible which is can't be found in the bible and showing what really God wants is it panaut my friend. If Bro. Eli won't mention it does the people would be aware that some doctrines of churches today are not commanded by God or Christ.

    Ang panaut my friend kay walay ebidensya, did we not show any evidence or proof about our claim that their doctrines are not biblical and not govern anymore by Christian Era?

    If you have conscience my friend you can tell me that we exposed church doctrines without proof.

    Then you've used this verse:

    Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    What makes these people not of God? They just saying that they know God but it can't be seen in their works.
    These people are hypocrite as what Christ says in Matthew 23:13-33.

    13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
    14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
    15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
    16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
    17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
    18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
    19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
    20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
    21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
    22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
    24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
    25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
    26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
    27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
    28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
    29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
    30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
    31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
    32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
    33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    Peace!












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    INtawn! If moingon diay ko nimo nga you are a calculator, calculator jud ka? Dili! It just means maayo ka mocalculate or you have good manthematical skills. Abi kay ang verse naay nasuwat nga For he is our peace he is peace na. Nindot pud nga reading comprehension no.

    Aw dili diay na panaut no cause para ninyo kamo man sakto then gemTV sila sad sakto. Question lang ha, if issue na between the two of you, wouldn;t it be better if inyo na iwork out without the outside people rather than iyahay lang mo nilabayay ug tae?

    Wala ka nakiglalis but most of your posts wants to start an argument... in the end, ikaw lang gihapon ang imo iconsider nga sakto cause kamao ka moquote ug verse without even understanding what the scripture is saying.

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    that's what they do junmar. They pull verses out of context and dogmatically proclaim and assert the out of context interpretation.


    Even if you explain to them the context, they will not see it. sometimes it is pointless to discuss with them point by point.

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    How about you ironside, when i explain what did you do?

    Then to junmar4 again, prove me im wrong with the verses in the bible not with your interpretations.
    And about nilabayag tae, did you confirm that they throw agains us is shit or just allegation or adultered tapes and cutted video to show that we say something. If you're a listener then you must know the root cause not diving into conclusion. Now you have another partner, ironside.

    I don't think nga wala koy lami kaistorya kay mutobag man mo.

    About Ephesians 2:13-14, its clear that the definition of Peace was Christ (the true meaning), then what did you do?

    Peace!

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    mao gani kung unsa inyong problema, inyoha! Dili kay inyo pang hinambog sa uban tawo!

    Asa kaha dapita na clear no nga mao jud ang meaning! It doesn't mean nga because motubag mi nindot na ka kaistorya! Feeling sad nimo.

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    I think wala mi manghambog, in the first place your T.V has many channels so why don't you change it if you don't want to hear it. The fact that you watched it, it catches your attention.
    We didn't force you to watch it but we will just invite.
    You have your free will to watch it or not.
    If you don't like it then turn your T.V off else switch to other channels like the Buzz or Startalk or Telenovela.

    Peace!

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    Now klaro na jud unsay purpose sa inyo shows. Salamat ha.

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    The purpose of our show is to evangelized the word of God and you can't prevent touching other doctrines and fundamental teachings. As you've noticed we have itanong mo kay Soriano, so bro. Eli will answer the question with the verses of the bible without caring who will get hurt because the verse must be read loud and clear.

    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19-20.

    Peace!

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    asa dapita sa imo verse na gihatag ang, scrutinize ug "touching" other doctrines?

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