warcraft vs starcraft

[r0n]

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himo lang ko og pag debate og alegre nga topic ha.

asay mas nindot para ninyo? og ngano man? starcraft or warcraft?

[jimmy128]

Interesting topic, however before I give my opinion, here is an article that best describes this match up of titanic games from Blizzard in our country.

Original Article : Starcraft 2 and it's Grim Reality that's plaguing Filipino gaming community





Starcraft 2 and it’s Grim Reality that’s plaguing Filipino gaming community

Note: This post may seem to be prejudice formed into words but believe me, it’s not completely groundless and baseless as it sounds. I try to be fair based upon my own experience as a gamer and an entrepreneur.



Why I don’t believe Starcraft 2 will hit among the Filipino MASS gaming community

Starters, the mass “gaming” community already had an established game of their flavor, which is DOTA and MMO’s. It allows them to be a “hero” instead of being a “commander”. Honestly, as much as I want to have faith in those people to be interested in a game like Starcraft 2 or any RTS for that matter, It’s like long distance relationship, it just doesn’t work.



I ran different internet shops in our provinces, I installed various games from MMORPG, casual games, online games, RTS (real time strategy) and FPS (first person shooters) and as far as I can tell, people there don’t want to be a commander, it’s a huge burden for them to command an army and let alone they don’t want to play against people they don’t know which makes the skill pool rather inbred. In MMORPG, the masses look for a “strong” institution to be associated with, an established guild or a powerful clan. Clearly, not everyone wants to play a high-tension game let alone be in a high-tension situation with pressure coming from everywhere. Competitive Starcraft 2 is just demanding for the average gamer. You don’t get better with your PHP and one item wont make you the king of PVP. It’s who you are as a core that makes you better.



The DOTA Factor

I know folks who played AOS and other bunch of cool Broodwar UMS games, tower defense, spawn maps and loved it. I had my HUGE share of Blizzard Tower Defense, Islands Tower Defense, Defence of the Ancients MERCENARIES (pre dota allstars), a handful of flavors of Footman Wars and but nothing addicted people the way DOTA hooked them. IT BECAME a household term.



I don’t want to think that’s it’s a racial and inbred impediment in the mentality that’s causing this phenomenon. As I can see, people are just too afraid in stepping out of their comfort zone and risk “working hard” and “losing big”. Starcraft 2 is too demanding for most people and when they play that hard, they expect to win only to find themselves out expanded, out classed, and out numbered in the food army. What the masses want is to work hard, they play hard, they get a BADASS item which automatically makes them better based on their stats as a reward for their character. Starcraft 2 doesn’t give you that kind of zone. You’re always at the rock bottom, and the tension is always high. Just because you’re Diamond 1800 league doesn’t automatically make you better than a genius Terran who just bought the game yesterday.



Starcraft 2 takes too long (or too short, depending on what kind of cheese is used to win) for them to do that, I can hear arguments that a typical DOTA game lasts for 45 minutes and a Starcraft 2 game ranges from 5 minutes to 40 minutes but take note that most of the action in DOTA happens THE WHOLE TIME. It’s easier to play DOTA and win despite of mistakes wherein you can just GG when you make a major scouting blunder (yes, he backdoored you).



The FPJ Factor

Let’s dig the dirt and sling it everywhere. People have played MMORPG’s to be called a “Hero”. Heck, a bunch of folks played DOTA to be a HERO and “PAWN” (correct: pwn/own) other “inferior” heroes to be so called “better” than other players. Some account it to luck, some account it to lack of game knowledge and some just picks up the blamethrower because they’re simply better than them. It boils down to one thing, it’s an easier measure of “badassery”. That’s where the FPJ factor kicks in. Maganda na items mo, sikat ka na, malaki na titi mo. In Starcraft 2, your rank doesnt add inches

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The majority of Filipino gaming populace consists of children, budding adults and a bunch of Man-Childs (offensively putting it, a boys in a man’s body). The rest would be professionals, fathers, or women. You can guess how “testosterone” is controlled within the population, talk about “ego management”. Have you been in a zoo with monkeys loaded with sugar? You get the picture. Send in the midgets juggling chocolate bars.



The TROPA Factor



Yes, i’ve been in one of those “tara inom” and afterwards “tara dota / tara counterstrike” kind of situations. I don’t think that in those situations I’d be in a position that I’ll focus on 14 hatch 15 pool 16 gas 22 queen efficiently. Hell, in those situations I’d think macro is just going to fly out of the window. Either I’m too drunk, the boys are too rowdy or I’m just plain not in the “zone” for gaming. We only have 1 hour of sober-ism left to play! We cant make a game every 5 minutes after someone who’s more wasted than me all in’s his SCV’s for the other team to lose the rest of the game. It’s easier to get fragged and respawn if you choose not to buy any gear and rush in with a knife and camp at the bomb site. There’s the rub.



4v4 / team games / tropa games is seriously inaccessible in a way that 4v4 in other games is. Strategic thinking and multi tasking just drops like teeny boppers in a Justin Bieber concert. It’s when an 800 food army will undoubtedly win your 600 food army because one of your guys is too drunk to play or is a n00b who you’re having a hard time tutoring. Yes, you can have a clan or a team, but then again you’ll be in the training pen 1v1’ing each other. It’s more fun with friends.



The tropa factor rules out strategy and turns it into “masscraft” or “rushcraft”.



The 10php factor

There’s a kid and he pays 10php and gets 30 minutes. During those 30 minutes, he probably killed a bunch of guys and will be pleased with himself. In other words, his 10php will make him feel better about himself.



Pay 10php for Counterstrike and frag some guys makes more sense, in Starcraft 2, your 10php will still be massing void rays and carriers. I’ll probably kill it with 8 thors and a bunch of ghosts. Actually, throw away the micro required for EMP, I’ll just kill it with A-MOVE thors.



Not funny. And my 10php will just make me feel bad because I’m just a normal person who wants to enjoy. It’s not ****ing fair to lose like that, I paid 10php for you to make a proxy gate outside my base? I’m a n00b and n00bs dont scout and rushed me with zealots. You get the picture. Why would a kid play with you knowing that he’s going to lose?



It’s inaccessible for quick gratification. It’s inaccessible for a 10php ego fix. It’s inaccessible. Starcraft 2 is fun for them, specially when they’re not losing.



The Quick Wrapup

As much as I want the game to hit mainstream, as much as I want to hear the taho vendor talking about how IMBA Marauders against Roaches, and hear ballot vendors laugh at Banelings’s imba against Terran Bio Ball, I don’t think it’s going to happen anytime soon. Not the way MORP-LENG is made of water and GROM HELLSCREAM is “MOGUL KAN” at the lugaw house.



I want to mature, make like a tree and accept the fact that it’s a niche and the people engaged in the niche are the niche among the niche, here in the Philippines at least. Even with introduction of prepaid which automatically rules out your argument on not “everyone” can buy the game, the common man wont invest 15 minutes of his time to be harassed by mutalisks during the last 10 minutes of the game where he spirals down to losing. Dont forget the statwhore who cares about nothing but wins, he’ll probably have parmesan, limburger, cheddar, even queso de bola and quesong puti to win. You’re going to brag that you got to the diamond league in a week? Go, but as far as the “populace” is concerned, not everyone can take that kind of mental stress. People get better with patience but patience is an investment. Not some fuking proxy gate rush.



I sincerely hope that the niche community sticks together, or LEVEL UP does a marketing ******* (I had to use to term, it’s when you make a guy feel good about himself and his ego through your mouth/words) and get a bunch of people WANTING to get owned by people who’ve invested their entire CHILDHOOD (note: broodwar) watching SlayerSBoxer revolutionize Terran gameplay and formulating strategies of their own.



It’s a long shot, you know you get it, this is the grim reality, and your average internet-café life are the statistics to back it up…unless you dont have a childhood that is.



GG-no-re.

[r0n]

ta asa imo post bai oi hehe.

bitaw murag dili kaayo sikat ang sc2 sa pinas tungod kay walay lan og lisod i pirate.

pero sticking to the topic lang. im asking about gameplay and nothing else. not even graphics. just the game itself. para nako mas ganahan ko sa SC kay murag chess ba. you make a strategy, you execute it. you identify what your opponent is planning, you counter. the winner is the one who has better strategy, execution and response. then next game, another strategy, another mind games. murag gyud chess ba. you dont have to sit long periods of time. you dont have to build up your hero units. its just a game of chess. but a lot more exciting and action packed.

[jimmy128]

Yeah. I couldn't agree more. To give my honest opinion, Starcraft has always been the more superior strategy game. You have to manage or economy wisely, train the right combination of units that would best defeat your opponent (unless you are zerg and you can just mass your economy and zerg the hell out of your opponent :3) try to spot indications of what your opponent could be doing, map awareness, use of terrain, using the capabilities of your units to the max potential and so many other things.

Even with Starcraft Broodwar, the game never got old. The strategies just kept evolving as time passed by. I mean, it was out in the late 1900's and was still arguably the WCGs most awaited event in the 2000's.

Now that Starcraft 2 is out, its a whole new world. New units, new strategies, new maps. It never gets old

Going into Warcraft, it has basically evolved to the MMO scene which is very much evident with the rise of WoW. But looking at WC3, it was mainly more of a Micro intensive game with all the skills and spells of each individual unit. The macro side of the game wasn't much as the mining the gold resource only requires 5 workers and you can basically deforest the entire map gathering wood.

Plus people are playing DoTA more compared to the actual Warcraft 3 strategy game.

[fooom]

War3 ko. Malingaw ko sa mga Skills sa heroes and mas ganahan ko sa gameplay.

[nikkicoke]

i go with jimmy.

tinuod jud na. starcraft is far superior to warcraft. nauso raman gud ug maayo dota diri kay kusog sa internetan nya barato.

[balsa2010]

i probably choose SC2 because of unique strategy, syle, and more characters compare the previous SC1

[jerbz01]

mas nindut jd starcraft, wala lang au ni click diri tungod anang d ka LAN, i mean in a sense nga if mu duwa ka dapat naa jd ka account. mao wa jd na hupas ang dota diri. if ang SC2 kay pareha pa sauna sa SC1 nga ma duwa ra by bisag kinsa sa shop for sure bahaw nana dota karn.

[isaac95]

mas nindut jd starcraft, wala lang au ni click diri tungod anang d ka LAN, i mean in a sense nga if mu duwa ka dapat naa jd ka account. mao wa jd na hupas ang dota diri. if ang SC2 kay pareha pa sauna sa SC1 nga ma duwa ra by bisag kinsa sa shop for sure bahaw nana dota karn.

sakto... mas dali man gud duwaan ang Dota kay portable ra

[agasus]

StarCraft2: strategy game in multiplayer but role-playing in single player. Each campaign has its storyline.. And combine with cinematic movies, you just like watching a Harry Potter episodes.