Advice on new rig AMD - Intel

[baracade]

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Hello mga bossing, specially katong mga gamers and enthusiast. Mao ni akong suliran.

Naa ko plano mag build og bagong rig since akoa ron is i5 3570 1155 den ang mga parts specially motherboard kay hapit na mawala sa kalibutan (brand new akong pasabot). So for my new rig, i was planning to have an AMD rig, maybe the zen proc and the AM4 (limot ko sa socket) motherboard. I chose AMD because for the main reason na dli sila dali mag ilis og socket and if maguba ang motherboard( in 3++++ years time) naa pa ghpon daghan kapilian. Unlike sa intel sockets nga almost every year manggwas ang lain2 nga socket den ilang mga motherboards kay dali kaayo ma obeselete(wagtang sa market). Besides price sa AMD mao jud na akong main reason sa AMD, bali para nako maintainable siya kay sa akong usage sagaron jud na nako kung asa kutob akong hardware (very bang for the buck hehehe).

On the otherside, kung mag intel ko, besides mahal ang maintenance niya or iyang lifetime in terms of parts kay dali jud kaayo ma outdated og obeselete ( dli man jud malikyan nga magkatigwaung imong hardware ayha pa mag bugdown ) but yeah i admit intel is good on majority of its specs and all but yeah my delima is as mentioned above.

Now, for my day to day usage. I mostly play mid - high spec game ( dpende kung ganhan ko ) but akong na duwaan jud nga high spec is the Battlefield 4, and mostly the not so high; Diablo 3, Dota 2, mmorpg games (Dragonest, etc). But if naa mu gawas games nga high spec niya interesting dapat sad maka aya sa rig dba? pero dli man jud ko magdugay og dula sa high spec kay if ma human na og dula kay seldom na lng duwaan.

So sa akong taas nga sturya sa taas mga bossing, advisable ba jud mag AMD ko or pibilin na lng kong Intel? sorry kaayo nid jud ko og advice kay kaduha pa jud ko naka ilis og rig, my old rig was running on AMD sempron and i was still in college and have no idea or whatsoever on computer hardware, and lately (3-4 yrs ago ) i just upgraded mine to an i5 3570k, Radeon 7870, etc. I did not have the chance to try the medyo high end product sa AMD like the FX8xxx thingy.

Also mga bossing naa man naka mention sa internet nga mo bottleneck daw ang AMD og GPU? but motly AMD APUs nuon to.. will that happen to AMD CPU? ... dri lng sa mga bossing will be reading your replys and kasaba kay taas kaayo ang thread

[hybrid666]

Honestly, its up to your preference. Both brands have their perks, as what you've mentioned. If makaya ra ang specs sa imong budget, then go for it. As for me, i went from amd to intel due to overheating issues sa amd. Mas taas man gud heat tolerance sa intel compared to amd.

Anyhoo, as long as maduwaan ra nimo imong mga ganahan nga duwa - then you can be happy with it. Your current rig would even be able to handle sa mga duwa gipang mention.

[DEMONOCIETY]

^gamay ra kaayo na nga issue ang overheating if willing lang mogasto sa cpu liquid cooling nindot naman ang mga liquid cooling ron ma nzxt, antec, thermaltake, cooler master etc. daghanag kapilian

[baracade]

Honestly, its up to your preference. Both brands have their perks, as what you've mentioned. If makaya ra ang specs sa imong budget, then go for it. As for me, i went from amd to intel due to overheating issues sa amd. Mas taas man gud heat tolerance sa intel compared to amd.

Anyhoo, as long as maduwaan ra nimo imong mga ganahan nga duwa - then you can be happy with it. Your current rig would even be able to handle sa mga duwa gipang mention.

hmm ask lng ko boss ba wla ra ka nalain sa ilang kapaspason sa pag change sa socket sa intel? like if ever maguba imong motherboard niya dugay2 napud na nga socket maglisud naka og pangita ana nga mobo specially ang imo mobo kay gaming?

[lloyd_joy]

hmm ask lng ko boss ba wla ra ka nalain sa ilang kapaspason sa pag change sa socket sa intel? like if ever maguba imong motherboard niya dugay2 napud na nga socket maglisud naka og pangita ana nga mobo specially ang imo mobo kay gaming?

the word "Gaming" used on the motherboards is just for plain marketing strategy... all mobos can be used for gaming... gaming is a just a relative word... to mention... BF series, Far Cry series, Crysis series, Witcher series are games, right? they have their own specific game genre... so as well as Solitare and Plants & Zombies. both are also PC games w/ their own specific game genre... hehehehe...

the fact is this... there are only 2 types of mobos... one is running only on stock speeds (non-OC'able) while the other is an OC'able mobo... and is true for AMD and Intel based chipsets...

that's it!

[baracade]

the word "Gaming" used on the motherboards is just for plain marketing strategy... all mobos can be used for gaming... gaming is a just a relative word... to mention... BF series, Far Cry series, Crysis series, Witcher series are games, right? they have their own specific game genre... so as well as Solitare and Plants & Zombies. both are also PC games w/ their own specific game genre... hehehehe...

the fact is this... there are only 2 types of mobos... one is running only on stock speeds (non-OC'able) while the other is an OC'able mobo... and is true for AMD and Intel based chipsets...

that's it!

Ohhh murag padong na jud ko sa AMD kay maintainability wise daghan man og parts nga available bisag 2++++ years pa ang nilabay gkan sa pag palit ba.. murag toyota daghan pag mapalit nga brandnew parts ..

Now for the issue on bottlenecks? mu happen ni sa ilang CPU? kay sa ako nabasahan man gud sa APUs nila ni happen but if i plan to have say for example ryzen CPU (when it comes out) + GTX 1080 will that be effecient enough? like ma maximize ba tanan? sa akoa nabasahan man gud kay mu bottleneck daw ang APU + high end gfx

[werty]

w8..................................Zen

[lloyd_joy]

Ohhh murag padong na jud ko sa AMD kay maintainability wise daghan man og parts nga available bisag 2++++ years pa ang nilabay gkan sa pag palit ba.. murag toyota daghan pag mapalit nga brandnew parts ..

Now for the issue on bottlenecks? mu happen ni sa ilang CPU? kay sa ako nabasahan man gud sa APUs nila ni happen but if i plan to have say for example ryzen CPU (when it comes out) + GTX 1080 will that be effecient enough? like ma maximize ba tanan? sa akoa nabasahan man gud kay mu bottleneck daw ang APU + high end gfx

pairing an AMD APU (even the fastest APU) with a high end GPU is very wrong. the APU was not designed to be on this pairing. you'll hold back the full power of the high end GPU... pataka ni'g pares ang nag himo ani na config... (peeps, pardon me on this harsh word... this is a fact man pud)... in the 1st place, the APU was designed for discrete GPU-less set-up... and remember, all APUs don't have L3 cache and in gaming, this type of cache will boost the overall gaming performance... not to mention the overall design of the AMD's micro-architecture in dealing w/ data... they had addressed this on the ZEN and followed Intel's footstep...

currently, if you want a AMD platform to be paired w/ a high end GPU, then there is no other route than the FX-83xx series (FX-9370 & FX-9590 if these 2 are available) and OC it like hell, use a nice water cooling system or a good air cooler and a nice 990FX chipset based mobo...

and as what bro Werty mentioned, wait for the RYZEN if you want to get the best AMD platform that your money can buy... but you need to wait for next year... kana kun mag AMD gyud ka...

by the way, para sa akoa, sayop nang statement na dili need mag upgrade ka ug mobo kun mag AMD ka... kay if you want to get the best of AMD platform... let say, sa current one, on the AM3+, kun nag 970 chipset ka, then mag gamit ka's newer AMD CPU then naa'y mga boards (even based on the 990FX chipset) na dili pwede sa mga 220 W CPUs (FX-9590 & FX-9370)... unya, if you'll go w/ a dual GPU set-up, the 970 chipset doesn't perform that good kay dili 8x/8x (as minimum) ang bandwidth speed sa 2 x PCie 16x slots... so, ang imong himoon kay mabitin man ka, mag upgrade napud ka's mobo or CPU kun mag ilis ka'g the best and fastest AMD FX CPU w/ the latest chipset mobo na naka 990FX... unya, mahal man ni... i'll not compare the performance on this to the current Intel offering na lang kay it's not right to compare an old tech vs the latest tech...

bottom line, if you are immersed on this negative passion of ours, mag sige ta'g upgrade... ma AMD or Intel platform pa na sila... as I've said over and over again in this forum... "Technology will not stop, it will always evolve"... and the semiconductor and electronic companies battle cry is this..." Innovate or die"...

now, your current CPU is still a shinny GEM. you can pair it with a GTX 1080 and it will still unleash the full power of the beast... samot na imoha nang i-OC ang i5-3570K nimo...

[hybrid666]

Mobos don't affect performance however, functionality does. Naa ju'y advantages ang ilang so called "gaming" mobos (SLI, 4-8 ram slots, etc etc) but as what TS has mentioned, he plays a few titles so there's actually no need to get those 'functionalities'. As for upgrade path, medyo similar man ang Intel ug AMD. It's just that AMD releases very few 'high-end' processors which is why dugay ma obsolete ang AMD.

Ang scheme sa Intel man gud kay "Tick-Tock". I google lang kay taas kaayo explain haha

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Ohhh murag padong na jud ko sa AMD kay maintainability wise daghan man og parts nga available bisag 2++++ years pa ang nilabay gkan sa pag palit ba.. murag toyota daghan pag mapalit nga brandnew parts ..

Now for the issue on bottlenecks? mu happen ni sa ilang CPU? kay sa ako nabasahan man gud sa APUs nila ni happen but if i plan to have say for example ryzen CPU (when it comes out) + GTX 1080 will that be effecient enough? like ma maximize ba tanan? sa akoa nabasahan man gud kay mu bottleneck daw ang APU + high end gfx

Don't worry about bottleneck sa ryzen. It's performance is equal if not greater than an i7 unlocked.

[lloyd_joy]

Mobos don't affect performance however, functionality does. Naa ju'y advantages ang ilang so called "gaming" mobos (SLI, 4-8 ram slots, etc etc) but as what TS has mentioned, he plays a few titles so there's actually no need to get those 'functionalities'. As for upgrade path, medyo similar man ang Intel ug AMD. It's just that AMD releases very few 'high-end' processors which is why dugay ma obsolete ang AMD.

Ang scheme sa Intel man gud kay "Tick-Tock". I google lang kay taas kaayo explain haha

your statement on the mobo is just a partial one bro... if you will use a dual GPU, mobo;s chipset in particular do affects the gaming performance of your dual GPU... labi na, dili 8x/8x ang speed sa 2x PCie 16x slot nya... mao ni ang reason nganong ang uban mobo with dual 16x slots will only support CrossfireX and not SLI... kay SLI need a minimum 8x/8x PCie 16x slot speed. ang AMD GPUs, mo Dagan ra bisan wla naka 8x/8x ang 16x slot pero at a performance disadvantage... this is not a function but its all about performance...

but for a single GPU config, dili ni mo matter kay a single GPU will run at 16x speed... gawas kun 8x electrical lang sya as well as 8x physical form factor like the GT 720...

anyhow, better, hulat lang gamay sa ZEN... hapit na 2017... kun barato ni sya compared sa intel, aw, mayo ni bulnal2x-lan sya... hehehhee...

sa kang TS na case, I recommend na ilis lang usa sya ug GPU... remove the AM3+ platform from the equivation... and skip those FM2+ thingy too...


ang RYZEN na gi pakita kay 8c/16t man to... basin ang price ato kay taga liog pud... hehehehe... similar sa competition or ubos gamay... ang price kay taga abaga... tuwingwingwing...

huwat ta's 4c/8t nila... kani for sure, basin taga tuhod ra ang price ani... madala ra natong mga ordinary Juan... let's just crossed our fingers and wait for now... RYZEN... RYZEN... RYZEN... hehehe...