Porgatory

[mandix]

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honestly ?.......... big no

[geremarv]

good works + no Jesus = hell
good works + Jesus=heaven

earth + people = porgatory

do im right

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when we stii alive i think dis a process going to heaven or hell...so porgatory is dis world

[Crimson_Viper]

d.ay kumu ku ay, ma igu ka ani, ma punta jud kas purgaturyu. promise.!

[geremarv]

agi ra usa q ky wla man coment

[ain]

Unsa man tawn ni ui naghisgot mani sya ug porgatoryo hehehehe.. Pagbasa basa nalang ug Bible TS.

[geremarv]

Unsa man tawn ni ui naghisgot mani sya ug porgatoryo hehehehe.. Pagbasa basa nalang ug Bible TS.

wla man gud porgatoryo sa bible....☺

[dibax]

Maps too ko aliens

[Lamusika]

ang porgatoryo nga ngan wala na sa bibliya pero naay lugar ddto nga tunga2 sa heaven and hell, where nagpondo pa ang wala ka amgo sa judgement, nagcleanse sa ilang sins. ginganlan lng na ug purgatory sama rana sa paghimo sa kalibutan, Y pangan nga dog o cat, pro ang taw ang nipili sa pghatag ug ngan nga ing.ana mao ni exist ang dog, earth, trees.. mao pd na ang purgatory , mao lng na ang term nga gigamit.

[noy]

to expound lang sa explanation nako, first of all tan-awon nato ang meaning sa "confess"
si God gusto niya sa atoa nga maaware ta sa atong nahimo nga sala, gusto niya nga mapractice nato ang art of acknowledging our sins by admitting it though confession, it does not mean nga to confess to be forgiven to have salvation, but to confess because you are already forgiven and saved to do that, wala nawala atong salvation pero gusto niya gihapon nga as a saved person, mapractice ang humility nato kay God through confession
tungod si love ni God sa atoa as a Father, pasayloon jud ta niya pirmi as we are God's children..

mayng hapun bro..

i'm afraid wa na pud nimu tagae ug weight ang verse nga nag ingun "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

kung kanang confession giingun ni john diha is just some sort of declaration of our sinfulness, nganu naa may giingun nga "HE is faithful and just WILL FORGIVE" unsay may gamit sa forgiveness kung saved na?

Therefore, John was talking about confession for forgiveness dili lang mere declaration of our sinfulness..

with that being said, palihug ko ug tubag ani bro nganu ni? kay murag wa ni nimu mabasahe..hehehe

in Matthew 10:22, Jesus told His disciples
"And you will be hated of all men for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved." - murag opposite ra man ni sa once saved, always saved..kay conditional man kaayo ang dating sa gisulti ni Kristo.."he who endures"..

in Romans 13:11 Paul wrote
"For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed." - abi man nako ug once mu believe ta..sure ball na nga saved..nganu naman ni nga salvation is nearer naman nuon? hehe

and in Matthew 12:36-37 Jesus said:
"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned" - if saved na maski sahay masayop ta sa atong mga panultihon hinlabi na sa buhat.. what need is there to give an account to God on judgment day nga saved naman kaha diba?

what i mean bro si God nagprovide ug means nga motoo ta niya unya sa tanang religions, ang Christianity ang mas naay basis, all we need to do lang jud is open minded ta to study the Bible and compare to others
just to make sa a sample lang
1) sa Bible, it says the earth is spherical whereas pila ka hundreds of years nga naprove na siya kay ingon nila the earth is flat daw
2) sa Bible, it says earth floats in space whereas sa uban religions ingon nila ang earth gatungtong sa elephant daw o gigunitan ni Atlas, then pila ka hundreds of years usa pa ni naproven jud sa science
3) Sa Bible, gidescribe na daan ang usa ka scientific concept nga water cycle (evaporation of water to precipation), giunsa pud kaha sa writer pagkabalo ani nga di pa man advanced ang science kaniadto
4) sa panahon sa mga Israelita, niingon ang Ginoo ang bata tulion jud sa ika 8 ka adlaw, pero nganong ika 8 nga adlaw man jud? it was during the 1950s pa nadiscover nga ang "photrombin", kana siya giproduce na sa Vitamin K nga responsible sa pagblood clotting kay naa diay sa highest peak inig 8th day sa bata, more than 100% sa iyang normal, so makablood clott siya dayon, kay inig 9th day onwards ana mohinay ug balik ang "photrombin", ug that is the only time in the life sa usa ka lalaki nga ingon ana ang scenario, so God's knows already because he is all knowing
5) about sa Noah's Ark, perfect kaayo ang dimensions nga ang length is 6 times longer than the width para molutaw sa tubig which is instructed ni God, so God knew it already kay World War 2 pa lang nila na confirm nga perfect diay kaayo ni nga measurement pangcargo (kay pangcargo man ang purpose sa ark, dili for speed)
and many more pa nga naprove sa science, aside pa na sa archaeology, history, prophecies, etc. nothing comes close to the Bible and Christianity, di lang nato imention pa diri tanan kay mosamot pa kataas kaayo unya dili man sad na ang main topic sad, so it is not an excuse nga mao na jud ila naandan nga pagtoo, di lang sila open minded
ug usa pa, other religions kay daghan kaayo ug requirements, rituals, traditions, etc., para malangit sa ilaha whereas ang real Christianity is only accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior kay si God na ang gaeffort sa imong salvation unlike sa lain religions nga ikaw pa ang moeffort para masave which makes it unique to others

si God na mismo gaingon nga silotan niya ang wa kaila og mosupak niya

mao bitaw bro nga mutuo jud ko sa Ginoo aside sa personal experience kay duna tay mabasa sa Bibliya sama ana imung gipangbutang nga verses.however, dako pud ug giplay nga part ang culture and familiarity, maski ning agi ko ug pagka irriligious ug agnostic theist sa una pero ang pinakaduol sa akong panabut nga religious perspective is Christianity..

now how about atong gipadako nga muslim?hindu?buddhist? ug kadtong atheistic ang orientation sa ilang family?yes they would reject Christ as God but out of HONESTY..like i said, they're just being honest to what they believed to be true..so again, God is willing to condemn an atheist for being honest?

first of all, motoo diay ka bro nga kanang mga good atheist makasaka pa na didto sa langit? i think mao sad ni ingon ni Pope Francis sad, it is a big question to me,
it is only through Jesus ra jud to enter heaven

correction bro, mutuo ko nga TANANG tao regardless of religious views kay dunay chance malangit..ang Ginoo ray mag-igo
ug kung malangit man gani sila it would ONLY be through JESUS.

i don't know how or when exactly but there has to be repentance before salvation..
now let's say, an atheist has been denying God's existence, only because mao jud nay iyang tan-aw nga insakto. honest lang jud siya..now nig kamatay niya,of course open na jud siya sa spiritual world,makita niya si Jesus, sultihan siya tanan sa iyang sayop ug uban pa..ug tungod kay kini nga atheist humble and with good conscience..mu repent, mu ingun siya pasayloa ko Lord sayop jud ko kaayo sa akong mga pagsabut.
not to be saved, but he is just genuinely humbled and sorry..
do you think an ALL MERCIFUL GOD would reject a humble and repentant heart? of course di pud ni siya pwede malangit dritso, 'cause this atheists denial of God is a great sin..asa man ni siya padulong?

possible man nga naay mga taw nga dili motoo ug Ginoo pero maayo silang taw, in their own freewill na nila nga magmaayo sila, dili na gikan sa Ginoo

dili gikan sa Ginoo? nya unsaon man nato ning giingun sa James 1:17 "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."or sa Psalm 127 nga "all good things come from God"? so ang pangutana karun, kinsa may akong tuohan ikaw nga nagingun nga ang goodness sa mga atheist kay dili gkan sa Ginoo? or ang bible nga nagingun nga ang tanang maayo gikan sa Diyos?

deuterocanonical books or apocrypha were removed because they are not inspired, di lang ta na diskusyonan diri kay di man sad ang main topic pud

inspired or not, some of the books in that section historically proves that Jews did believe in purgatory hence prayed for the dead..naa pa man gani gihapun na sa judaism today..
it was removed because conflict to sa new doctrine ni martin luther.
i believe inline ra ni sa topic bro because of the fact that luther removed them from the protestant canon to avoid doctrinal conflict concerning prayers for the dead.

so asa naman to ako gipangayo nimu nga early christian manuscript that would confirm with your interpretation of 1 Peter 3:19-20? nga kadtong mga imprisoned spirits kay mga anak to sa mga fallen angels?

first of all if you refer to spirits, sa Bible it refers commonly the Holy Spirit, Spirit ni Jesus, angels, and demons
although humans have spirits
pero ang term nga spirits sa Bible dili na gigamit na sa mga taw, well so far sa ako lang nabantayan, i dont know kung naa ba tay mabasahan ana nga girefer jud na sa taw
so kanang spirits of the prison, as i said, it could be nga ang mga Nephilims na in days of Noah, Nephilims are also angels nga nakigmate sa mga taw sa unang panahon, so ang uban demons nakabuhi pa ron

it could be, so dili ka sure diay?
now, what we can agree is, we ought to read the bible in context diba?

so akong balikon, if you read 1 Peter 3:19-20 in context, Peter talked about suffering for righteousness' sake..Peter wasn't talking about damnation due to disobendience, Peter was talking about hope for the unrighteous because of the sacrifice of a righteous person which was Christ's redepmtive suffering..
in verse 18 we read: "For Christ also SUFFERED ONCE for sins, the RIGHTEOUS FOR THE UNRIGHTEOUS, that he might BRING us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit."again bro, NOTE: that HE might bring us to God..ang sunod ani nga verse bro, is kadto dayung si Jesus went to the spirits in prison and made proclamation..

bro, if you insist that Peter was referring to the condemned and damned spirits, why would he say it while talking about Christ's suffering for the unrighteous that he might bring them to salvation? diba out of context kaayo?

ug usa pa dili na sad na pwede nga sa taw unya tagaan ug hope pud na kay moviolate na diri

muviolate sa Hebrews 9:27 ang purgatory? Not necessarily..
after death? yes judgment..you will be judged whether you died under God's grace and friendship or not. if you did, then you either go straight to heaven and be with God or you go through purgatory to be purified. otherwise, straight to Hell..like i said before bro, purgatory is not a second chance where you can redeem yourself on your own..it is the final phase of Christ's purifying sacrifice being applied to those who died in His grace.

sa purpose pud ni Jesus, other translations kay proclaimed man pud, proclaimed siya nga victorious na siya

mao lage bro, pero if you read that particular passage in the book of Peter "contextually". haskang layoa ra jud sa damnation nga interpretation tawn..balikon nato, Peter was talking about the sacrifice of the righteous for the unrighteous...therefore Jesus for the sinners..example dayun niya ang passion sa Ginoo that HE might bring us to God..mao ni ang righteous act.. dayun sulti dayun niya that Jesus went to the imprisoned spirits to proclaim/preach the gospel so unsa man ni? mao ni ang mga unrighteous..apil na ta that he might bring us to God...the righteous sacrificing in bahalf of the unrighteous..see? the gist is salvation bro, it cannot be concluded otherwise..

[geremarv]

acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

so f mamatay na ang tao ayha cya magrepent meaning useless....peace