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    The Bible does not mention the exact word “purgatory,” but instead it makes reference to a place which can be understood as what is referred to as purgatory. To claim that purgatory does not exist because the exact word does not appear in Scripture is a failure to understand Scripture. - All fall short of understanding, that's why they invent words to describe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2t+gasoline View Post
    mao bani bro katong testingan napod balik ang tao after sa 1000yrs pag reign ni JC? katong walay sakit,gutom and kalisod?
    apil na tanan bro? apil ang na rapture?
    after naman ni sa rapture ug great tribulation ang 1000 years, kadtong naa pa sa earthly bodies maybe itest pa sila, pero wala nay mangdeceive nila kay gitrap man temporarily for 1000 years si Satan then irelease kadiyot then ilabay sa lake of fire na

    Revelation 20:1-3
    New King James Version (NKJV)

    20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

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    mao ni giingon, gitest lang gyapon bisan kibaw na ka sa answer. morag 1 + 1 nga calcu-hon gyud

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    Quote Originally Posted by yhokz101 View Post
    ako lang ni gi google bai slabs oh.. basaha if maka uyon ba ka.

    "God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden to give Adam and Eve a choice to obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

    Lessons dri kay:
    - Evil is always present, except in heaven.. so why naa ngadto si satan is explained through that concept.
    - Our decisions have consequences, always.. may it be a good or especially the bad choices.


    cge na manungkab sa ta.. gutom naman hehehe... taya iringa na bida naman hnuon.
    matud dinha bai ha...tree of knowledge of Good and Evil nitumaw nasad noon ang pangutana nga unsa man sila adam and eve sa wala pa sila mokaon ang nga prutas? are they doing good? or doing evil?

    ug matud sa mga nanglabay nga posts, gibuhat ang hell para ni satan ug sa niadtong gustong mosunod niya, pangutana ngano wala naman lang gibalhog ngadto lahos si satan para unta wala nay lain pang masunod niya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs7 View Post
    matud dinha bai ha...tree of knowledge of Good and Evil nitumaw nasad noon ang pangutana nga unsa man sila adam and eve sa wala pa sila mokaon ang nga prutas? are they doing good? or doing evil?

    ug matud sa mga nanglabay nga posts, gibuhat ang hell para ni satan ug sa niadtong gustong mosunod niya, pangutana ngano wala naman lang gibalhog ngadto lahos si satan para unta wala nay lain pang masunod niya.
    because God is not selfish, gusto niya itest jud ang kinsa ang mga taw nga moobey gihapon niya inspite ug many temptations from Satan, pero even pa gani mafall ka basta morepent ka and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and live with it maluwas ka

    si Job gani giallow sa Ginoo nga hilabtan siya ni Satan

    Job 1:6-12
    Satan Allowed to Test Job
    6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. *7The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.” *8And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” *9Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? *10Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. *11But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” *12And the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.
    ang ending gani ani kay successfully nga faithful kaayo si Job sa Ginoo inspite nga gitangtangan na siya tanan, so mao nay gusto ni God, ang mostand by him even sa mga trials and temptations, mao ni ang mga tawo nga worthy jud sa langit, kung walay trials, tests, temptations, unsaon niya pagtest? even though all knowing si God pero tungod sa freewill nato di sya kakontrol ana pero kabalo siya unsa atong buhaton before pa nato gibuhat
    Last edited by rics zalved; 03-10-2015 at 02:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs7 View Post
    matud dinha bai ha...tree of knowledge of Good and Evil nitumaw nasad noon ang pangutana nga unsa man sila adam and eve sa wala pa sila mokaon ang nga prutas? are they doing good? or doing evil?
    They are pure creation sa Ginoo bai, uncorrupt by sin of deeds and thoughts. They don't know yet what is good or bad.. diha na after pag kaon na nila sa fruit of the tree.


    ug matud sa mga nanglabay nga posts, gibuhat ang hell para ni satan ug sa niadtong gustong mosunod niya, pangutana ngano wala naman lang gibalhog ngadto lahos si satan para unta wala nay lain pang masunod niya.
    nag buot na sad ka sa director.. ikaw bah! hhahaha

    btaw bai, tinuod hell was created by God for satan and his minions.. kabasa ka sa akong gi post na satan or evil is everywhere including here on earth, maski gani sa garden of eden.. beside nalang sa heaven kay gi banish man na silang ni supak sa Ginoo. kung imo pasabot nganu wala nalang gi imprison si satanas sa hell para dli mag hasik sa lagim? .. mao ba ni imong point?


    Again, God has a higher purpose not intended para ni satan kug dli para sa mga tawo.. mao gani hatagan na ta Niya ug freewill.. kay kung gustohon na Niya pwd man dli na, himuon ra tag pure ang clean from sins.. walay free will. But because love Niya ang iyang creation, ang mga tao.. mao gani we are created in His likeness. He give us free will to have our own choices. Ug kani si Satan plays an important role aning hitaboa... supporting actor na cya bai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rics zalved View Post
    si Job gani giallow sa Ginoo nga hilabtan siya ni Satan

    ang ending gani ani kay successfully nga faithful kaayo si Job sa Ginoo inspite nga gitangtangan na siya tanan, so mao nay gusto ni God, ang mostand by him even sa mga trials
    maski si Jesus bai.. Matthew 4:1-11 - Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLX90Six1 View Post
    The Bible does not mention the exact word “purgatory,” but instead it makes reference to a place which can be understood as what is referred to as purgatory. To claim that purgatory does not exist because the exact word does not appear in Scripture is a failure to understand Scripture. - All fall short of understanding, that's why they invent words to describe it.
    Who invented the word "purgatory"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rics zalved View Post
    si Job gani giallow sa Ginoo nga hilabtan siya ni Satan
    Was Job happy enough after passing the "test" against Satan even though he lost his sons and daughters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs7 View Post
    matud dinha bai ha...tree of knowledge of Good and Evil nitumaw nasad noon ang pangutana nga unsa man sila adam and eve sa wala pa sila mokaon ang nga prutas? are they doing good? or doing evil?
    good to slabs.. ang evil ato katong disobedience..

    ug matud sa mga nanglabay nga posts, gibuhat ang hell para ni satan ug sa niadtong gustong mosunod niya, pangutana ngano wala naman lang gibalhog ngadto lahos si satan para unta wala nay lain pang masunod niya.
    because God knows which will bring him more glory, ang paglabay bang Satanas largo sa empyerno or pasagdaan sa sya for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porbidaman View Post
    Was Job happy enough after passing the "test" against Satan even though he lost his sons and daughters?
    in the end the question is not about "is man happy?" but "which glorifies God?". After all, all creation was created by God for God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porbidaman View Post
    Who invented the word "purgatory"?
    A Catholic "Invention" or say a Catholic doctrine - this is the common answer you can get.

    Can it be found in the Bible? "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." ..this is true.

    Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that "nothing unclean shall enter heaven." From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if "covered," remains a dirty soul and isn't fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or "purged" of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory.

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