Kinsa mga Civil Engineers diri - GPU for your Structural Application (Professional Application)... an Inquiry

[MarXX]

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if you gonna go the dual xeon route, it will be underutilized 90% of the time. para nako a dual xeon should only be dedicated renderer, meaning mao ray iya buhat. ideally 3-4 people ang mag tabang ani og pa render.

for editing you need high Ghz, ssd, and ram. this is more important because most of your time will be spent here.

usually editing is 95% of the time, rendering only 5%. rendering is only to make the client drool. other than that it has no real purpose.

shaded views are faster and less laggy for analysis.
rendering is for final or realistic view of the proposed building.

topo survey doesnt need rendering

sa ako-a alng ha, rendering is a "feel good" tool. it makes you feel accomplished. you would like to see the final product after you have done the hard work.

now walkthroughs and Flyby's are a different story. these are for making the client fuly understand your work coz not all people know how to read plans. this will be where the dual xeon will outshine everything else. walkthroughs and flyby's will take days on a dual xeon, depending on resolution. mao na mas maayo dedicated renderer ang dual xeon.

sometimes when i render still images, pang final, usually i leave the house, go to malls or etc. and come back at ETA of the rendered image. even the strongest single CPU will take time. ive tried using the p4, c2d, c2q, and now i7 naay improvements but still no cigar.

way back 15 years ago, when rendering was done in 3dstudio max DOS, same thing. i once rendered a flyby for 30 calendar days no shutdown.

[lloyd_joy]

^ thanks bro... but for the price on the dual X5650... around 5.5K lang sila duha, maybe, i'll give this a try... but, this is not yet final...

anyhow, this is a part of our hobby... i'll not dive and buy expensive components here... ngita lang ko'g barato man pud diri... if ever, go nako aning dual X5650 ug katong Asus server/workstation mobo, RDIMM akoang ibutang ato.

again, thanks for your input...

[lloyd_joy]

kun mag provide ta'g 3rd party rendering service ba (dha sa Cebu), mo click pud kaha ni? kay kun naa na ang workstation rig, para dili pud ma white elephant sya...

mga Archi dha, unsa man ma recommend ninyo sa ni na 3rd party services? need ni ninyo or, kamo na lang mismo ang mo himo ani?



by the way, gamit kuno siya'g Revit, CPU renderer ni noh? mura'g maka benefit ni's plan nko na dual Xeons. what do you think?

[werty]

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[lloyd_joy]

quadro man gyud ang gi recommend sa Autodesk... professional card man gud ni ug professinal application man pud... wla man gaming pedigree na gi recommend sila... hehehe...

[MarXX]

revit is a unique application. it combines, autocad 3d modelling and 3dstudio max in one application but is neither a master in 3d modelling nor rendering but can do both. That said, revit is a powerful single workflow application that saves much time and effort. honestly im surprised to find another user of such. very few users of revit in cebu and Philippines. revit models much faster than autocad but it takes more thinking. revit rendering is convenient because it bypasses all the hassles of cross platform conversions, but it is not the fastest renderer.
now with that said,

revit needs high GHZ to process conversions, and general snappiness. mao ni ako na mahayan, dili overclockable ako cpu.
and my i7 4770 marks the 3th time i underestimated this application on a desktop. (i get the feeling this is never ending)

high memory / memory speed mine is 16GB, 1600Mhz, no problem small files pero if multistorey na, duda ko mahurot nani. ill know next year when i begin documenting a 10+ storey building. karun studies pa okay ra. not sure kung bottleneck ba ang 1600mhz

SSD for OS AND DATA, revit files are large, loading time is a bitch on HDD. this is a must have unless willing to wait ka for 3-5 min to open 1 file.

basin apiki na imo 750ti. not sure ko kay 550ti ako-a. but this is not top priority.

Revit doesnt utilize multicores for editing. if im not mistaken 1 core on editing but this core needs to be fast. in fact its worth considering an overclockable i5.

now for a 3rd party rendering service, bisan ang autodesk nag lisod pa kay dili ma consistent and materials and textures. in other words, the guy nga magpa render would have to bring all his textures and maps to your 3rd party renderer. this is fine kung flyby or walkthrough, you can charge mucho dinero but panagsa ra.

[lloyd_joy]

^ nice inputs bro... good reference to an individual like me na wala'y hanaw sa ani na field....

thanks...

[MarXX]

revit was a beast i could not tame. hangol gyud.

[lloyd_joy]

taas2x gyud diay ni'g system requirement and Revit...

[MarXX]

first time when i was still learning, i used a c2q q8300. 4GB ram, 3GB usable, was ,my first mistake. i underestimated its memory requirements. didnt use 64bit OS. pero okay ra as my PC was existing already.
second was an i3 office PC, this time used 4GB, second mistake. kuwang gyapon.
third was my very own i7. naka 16GB ram nako. karon hinay man loading gyapon. needs SSD.
Fourth was my office i3 4130. 8GB ram, sakto ra. pero this time naka SSD nako. so far my most successful build for revit. so far great editing machine. kung naa palang to stock i3 4350 it would have been better. pero dili gyapon paspas mu render.... coz like i said, rendering panagsa ra.

now sa GPU side, wala pa gyud ko napugos og palit. my 550ti works fine, lag gamay kung dako na ang model. but my office just uses GT630. nothing spectacular pero mas laggy kung dako model.

but dont forget your bro uses this for structural design. meaning models dont become too complex, i doubt sad if he will be modelling rebars on the structural frame, which would require even more than what i require. murag ma pugos na gyud ka sa 32GB memory ani.

revit is fast, single workflow, but it comes at a price. it somehow forced me into this hobby because of its requirements.