MERGED: RP-China Territorial Dispute, Related Events and Updates

[tophat]

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Kapoyaaaaaaaaaa ui

manihapon ta ninyo diha. lami kaau ang buwad ni superidol

[scope_hunting]

if wala ma kurakot cguro ang pundo para sa modernization sa una sa AFP dili cguro ta yano yanohon sa tsina

kato untang mga general na gipasakaan og kaso mao untay una ipadala para mo atubang didto sa spratlys og panatag

[shal213]

so your saying that if their will be war, you just watch every people die because you cant fight for such things? is that what you mean?

you know mister, if our fellow filipinos back in the days of Spanish Era didnt fight for our land or territories. You wont be able to live where you are right now , i mean us kita. or Marcos Era, if Nonoy didnt do anything, well you know what would happen to us right now. Im not suggestion here that we go to WAR, all want to express is we need do defend our territories no matter what.

I understand your principles but i wont give Phils any good.

Actually sir, it would be best if you read from when I started to post about this topic as broken interpretation are so hard to discuss.

[tophat]

MANILA, Philippines - Chinese troops should go after Philippine ships and fishermen who go near the disputed Scarborough shoal, a Chinese navy official said.

Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, director of the People's Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN) Information Expert Committee, said this should be done to “Filipino vessels that hang around in the lagoon and don’t leave," according to state-owned news agency China News Service (CNS).

Yin said Chinese naval troops should board and search Philippine government ships and private fishing vessels.

He said this is already being done by the Philippines on Chinese fishing ships.

Yin said the "Philippines has not yet returned 24 Chinese fishing boats it is holding," referring to Chinese boats intercepted in Philippine territory in October last year.

Yin, who is described by the CNS as a military expert, said Chinese troops "must try to maintain restraint, not force, not hurt people," when going after Philippine ships found in waters near or at Scarborough shoal.

He said Chinese government ships should conduct more regular patrols in the waters off Scarborough to esnure the safety of Chinese fishing boats.

Yin told Communist Party publication the People’s Daily on Thursday that China's navy will not hesitate to use deadly force against its enemies.

“Our navy has the absolute ability and the absolute confidence to use arms to defend our country’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and maritime rights. We’re just waiting for the order,” he said.

President Benigno Aquino said earlier in the week that the Philippines may redeploy ships to the shoal to counter the presence of foreign vessels.

Philippine ships were forced to pull out from the area last weekend due to bad weather.

"If there is a presence in our territorial waters, then we will redeploy. But if there is no other presence of other vessels that might impinge on our sovereignty, there is no need to deploy and they can go back to their normal routine of safeguarding -- the Coast Guard for instance -- our coastlines from… [the] wet season," Aquino told reporters.

He said the decision to redeploy will be based on China's moves to occupy the area.

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said Saturday that several Chinese ships have been seen again around Scarborough shoal.

Gazmin, in a text message to ANC, said the Chinese vessels were spotted by a Philippine Air Force plane that was deployed to conduct a reconnaissance mission over the disputed area.

He did not say how many Chinese ships are now at Scarborough.

Yin blasts Aquino, 'US-Philippine plan'

Yin, during a discussion with Chinese netizens on the state-owned People's Daily website, also claimed that Aquino's plan to send ships anew to Scarborough shoal is part of a scheme between Manila and Washington to usher in US military troops' return to Asia.

He said the US and the Philippines -- which are bound by a mutual defense treaty -- want to use Scarborough shoal as a flashpoint to break China's friendship with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Yin also accused Aquino of trying to "consolidate his regime" by pleasing military officials.

He said Aquino inherited his mother's bad relationship with the Philippine military, which the country's current president now wants to solve.

The Chinese military official also said Aquino's tough stand on Scarborough "attacks domestic anti-American and pro-Arroyo forces in the Philippines."

It is not known how much influence Yin wields in the PLA.

His statements mirror an earlier call by another hardliner, PLA Major General Luo Yuan, who wants China to launch "decisive action" at Scarborough Shoal to reinforce Beijing's claim on the territory, which is located within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone.

While their comments do not represent official policy and the PLA is only serving on the beck and call of China's Communist Party, officers like Yin and Luo have been given some leeway to strike a tougher tone in their comments, according to foreign analysts.

In 2010, Chinese President Hu Jintao admonished the military for letting officers speak on sensitive issues.

This, however, has not prevented Yin and Luo from airing their hardline views on state-owned media.


Chinese Navy admiral targets Philippine ships | ABS-CBN News

[jangska]

mas maayo ani unhan ta ning mga insik ug butang sa mapa ang Scarborough shoal para dili nani nila angkonon ilaha. ahaha.

[street_of_no_return]

Yin told Communist Party publication the People’s Daily on Thursday that China's navy will not hesitate to use deadly force against its enemies.

This statement is harsh though i dont think they really do it. Even Phil will not react to much on the claim of the Island other nation will go war against China. I hope this Chinese bastard will stop their day dreaming act and face the truth that Panatag Shoal belongs to Phil not to China or other neighboring countries.

[messerchtmitt]

United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea:
Declarations made upon signature, ratification, accession or succession or anytime thereafter
So bro kun absent pa ang 'upon signature' magtuo sa sad ko nga nipirma ang China pero. Kun wa ko masayop naa jud kalainan ang NIPIRMA ug NIAPPROVED..

Please lang ko basa anang Section 2 of PArt xv diba makasabot ka sa kamarukoy sa mga Insik. hihihi

Pardon Ignorance bro.

Don't make things complicated... Talking about signature, In 1996 of June 7th, China ratify the declaration with UNCLOS. It is clear that the word being used, "RATIFY", they made signatures. Then in 2006, they made declaration under Article 298. In short, China had signed the treaty on 1996 but by 2006 they declared of not accepting the procedure under Article 298. Take note the dates.

I suggest try to read once again. This requires "Common Sense".

[messerchtmitt]

This statement is harsh though i dont think they really do it. Even Phil will not react to much on the claim of the Island other nation will go war against China. I hope this Chinese bastard will stop their day dreaming act and face the truth that Panatag Shoal belongs to Phil not to China or other neighboring countries.

For more than 20 years China has avoided armed conflict in South China sea. Conflict with Vietnam in which Vietnam fired first to Chinese vessel and firefight ensued. Vietnam is trying to protect of which they believed their sovereignty and they lose to China. Now, China appears being attacked by Vietnam though they're the one started the flame through bullying. This is the same of what had happened in Panatag shoal, Chinese are waiting for us to fire first. Once our navy fires then the blame will be unto us. So the Chinese side are safe in the international eyes and ears.

They know there naval capabilities as compared to ours and it can be easily swept in a few minutes to our navy. This is how they played the game through bullying.

[Crinkles11]

Don't make things complicated... Talking about signature, In 1996 of June 7th, China ratify the declaration with UNCLOS. It is clear that the word being used, "RATIFY", they made signatures. Then in 2006, they made declaration under Article 298. In short, China had signed the treaty on 1996 but by 2006 they declared of not accepting the procedure under Article 298. Take note the dates.

I suggest try to read once again. This requires "Common Sense".

Maayong Buntag kanimo brader messerchtmitt...Ikaw baya nisulti ha nga nipirma ang China.. Mao ni imong link gihatag nako ai, pero bisan giunsa nako ug li'li' wa jud koy nakit-nga pirma. ni-ratify noon. HAhhahaha. Kalma lang oi matiguwang ka sayo.

Nanghinaut ko malipayon ang imong dominggo.

Again pardom my ignorance...

[walker]

Maayong Gabie dha Bro Walker...

Kabahin ani akong pangutana, naa cyay gamay nga kalambigitan kay GUBAT2x man ni imong thread bro kun wa ko masayop.
Bitaw bro... just testing ur survival skills since u r a war enthusiast...I think uv heard this question already a couple of times and it wud be great if u can share ur ideas here.

Again bro mao ni akong panguta...

Kung Kapitan ka sa barku bro den nagsakay imong pamilya unya nalunod, Unsa imong unang buhaton?

This thread is about China's offensive actions regarding the sovereignty of Panatag Shoal, off the shores of Zambales.

But let me clarify certain points of interest:

1. I am not a war enthusiast.

How did you arrive at the conclusion about me? I detest war and all the miseries associated with. While most of you read about it, watch movies about it, hear about it on tv and the internet, I do not, and stay away from news, movies, and articles about war, for deep personal reasons.

2. I do not understand why you would want to know about my survival skills and how is that related to the discussion in this thread?

3. You question fits another thread of its own, I might answer in that thread if you create one.

4. Only those who are insulated from the horrors of a real war can say with light humor the word "GUBAT-GUBAT". War is one of the worst event of humankind. It is certainly a lot worse than barko nga malunod.

Let us stick with the topic at hand.

Maayong adlaw kanimo Crinkles.