A female Pope

[rjdc_23]

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purely a myth to destroy the papacy and the catholic church.

[regnauld]

purely a myth to destroy the papacy and the catholic church.

How about Pope Alexander VI? CAN YOU DENY THIS POPE?

Pope Alexander VI[1] (1 January 1431 – 18 August 1503), born Roderic Llançol, later Roderic de Borja i Borja (Italian: Rodrigo Borgia) was Pope from 1492 to 1503. He is the most controversial of the secular popes of the Renaissance, and his surname (Italianized as Borgia) became a byword for the debased standards of the papacy of that era.

Death


Pope Pius III succeeded Alexander VI upon his death.


Burchard recorded the events that surrounded the death of the Pope. Cesare was preparing for another expedition in August 1503 when, after he and Alexander had dined with Cardinal Adriano da Corneto on August 6th, they were taken ill with fever. Cesare had eventually recovered, but Alexander VI was too old to have any chance. According to Burchard, Alexander VI's stomach became swollen and turned to liquid, while his face became wine-coloured and his skin began to peel off. Finally his stomach and bowels bled profusely. After more than a week of intestinal bleeding and convulsive fevers, and after accepting last rites and making a confession, the despairing Alexander VI expired on 18 August 1503 at the age of 72. He is said to have uttered the last words "Wait a minute" before expiring.[6]
His death was followed by scenes of wild disorder, and Cesare, too ill to attend to the business himself, sent Don Michelotto, his chief bravo, to seize the Pope's treasures before the death was publicly announced. When the body was exhibited to the people the next day it was in a shocking state of decomposition. Writing in his Liber Notarum, Burchard elaborates: "The face was very dark, the colour of a dirty rag or a mulberry, and was covered all over with bruise-coloured marks. The nose was swollen; the tongue had bent over in the mouth, completely double, and was pushing out the lips which were, themselves, swollen. The mouth was open and so ghastly that people who saw it said they had never seen anything like it before." It has been suggested that, having taken into account the unusual level of decomposition, Alexander VI was accidentally poisoned to death by his son with Cantarella (which was prepared to eliminate Cardinal Adriano), although some commentaries (including the Encyclopædia Britannica) doubt these stories and attribute Alexander's death to malaria, at that time prevalent in Rome, or to another such pestilence. The ambassador of Ferrara wrote to Duke Ercole that it was no wonder the pope and the duke were sick because nearly everyone in Rome was ill as a consequence of bad air ("per la mala condictione de aere").
Burchard described how the Pope's mouth foamed like a kettle over a fire and how the body began to swell so much that it became as wide as it was long. The Venetian ambassador reported that Alexander VI's body was "the ugliest, most monstrous and horrible dead body that was ever seen, without any form or likeness of humanity".[7] Finally the body began to release sulphurous gasses from every orifice. Burchard records that he had to jump on the body to jam it into the undersized coffin and covered it with an old carpet, the only surviving furnishing in the room.
Such was Alexander VI's unpopularity that the priests of St. Peter's Basilica refused to accept the body for burial until forced to do so by papal staff. Only four prelates attended the Requiem Mass. Alexander's successor on the Throne of St. Peter, Francesco Todeschini-Piccolomini, who assumed the name of Pope Pius III (1503), forbade the saying of a Mass for the repose of Alexander VI's soul, saying, "It is blasphemous to pray for the damned". After a short stay, the body was removed from the crypts of St. Peter's and installed in a less well-known church, the Spanish national church of Santa Maria in Monserrato degli Spagnoli.

Mistresses and family


Vannozza dei Cattanei


Of Alexander's many mistresses the one for whom his passion lasted longest was a certain Vannozza (Giovanna) dei Cattani, born in 1442, and wife of three successive husbands. The connection began in 1470, and she bore him four children whom he openly acknowledged as his own: Giovanni, afterwards duke of Gandia (born 1474), Cesare (born 1476), Lucrezia (born 1480), and Goffredo or Giuffre (born 1481 or 1482). His other children – Girolamo, Isabella and Pier Luigi – were of uncertain parentage. Before his elevation to the papacy Cardinal Borgia's passion for Vannozza somewhat diminished, and she subsequently led a very retired life. Her place in his affections was filled by the beautiful Giulia Farnese (Giulia Bella), wife of an Orsini, but his love for his children by Vannozza remained as strong as ever and proved, indeed, the determining factor of his whole career. He lavished vast sums on them and loaded them with every honour. The atmosphere of Alexander's household is typified by the fact that his daughter Lucrezia lived with his mistress Giulia, who bore him a daughter, Laura, in 1492.
He is the ancestor of virtually all Royal Houses of Europe, mainly the Southern and Western ones, for being the ancestor of Doña Luisa de Guzmán, wife of King John IV of Portugal. He is also the ancestor of the actress Brooke Shields.

Source: WIKIPEDIA

[Hellblazer 2.1]

no matter how much they don't want to accept the facts, it happened. a female secretly invaded the conclave and was elected pope. Pope Joan.

[Tobi]

Matod sa Catholic Encyclopedia nga akong gi post, myth daw ni si Popess Joan. natural muingon jud sila ana ila gud nang libro. pero basin naa pud moy laing reliable source diha nga nagpamatuod nga tinuod jud ni si Popess Joan. pwede i post diri just for the sake of arguement?

[regnauld]

Matod sa Catholic Encyclopedia nga akong gi post, myth daw ni si Popess Joan. natural muingon jud sila ana ila gud nang libro. pero basin naa pud moy laing reliable source diha nga nagpamatuod nga tinuod jud ni si Popess Joan. pwede i post diri just for the sake of arguement?

So far legend ra na si Pope Joan. With respect to the Catholic Church, there were two great popes that I loved and admired. One was Pope John XXIII and the other one was Pope John Paul II! I encourage you to read their biographies!

[NASYO]

it's possible..
a gay pope probably existed..
it's possible..

[regnauld]

[quote=NASYO;3734435]it's possible..
a gay pope probably existed..
it's possible..

Maybe!

[NASYO]

murag naa man jud ba.

[ursoman]

naa oi matod pa sa akong kaila na gikan ug seminaryo, duha radaw pa ingnan sa ga tao diha kung di manyak, bayot..hehe

[rjdc_23]

it's possible..
a gay pope probably existed..
it's possible..

a gay one may be possible but a female pope,i dont think so.