Eliseo F. Soriano of ADD - SUSPENDED! Makatwiran ba?

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Hehehe we are not interested of the topic bai but in you why you think ELi is right and his teachings because all are base from the bible scriptures .

yeah.... the Church of God wer Eli belongs based all of their doctrines on the bible.... and of no other books since.... it also one of Gods warning of basing only the the teachings on the Holy Book..... last verses of Revelations.....

Isnt this the main reason why ELi Soraino's show was banned ? Because he attacked and assummed too much ?

the reason why Eli was banned was due to political reasons..... kun wala mo kabalo.... lakas man kaayo ang ilang kaaway sa governo...... ang pagutter daw ug bad words ni soriano like TARANTADO, GAGO etc... is merely an ALIBI..... or PALUSOT.... coz even the group that filed the case against Soriano were also using words like those.... particularly the ANG TAMANG DAAN of the INC.... that even accused Soriano of some baseless attacks.......

In a religion or sect , if you have faith in it , you dont need to be approved by the leader to ba member . ALl you need is faith and whole heartedness participation .... basin naay entrance fee na bai mao di pa ka member . In the Catholic religion , if wala ka na baptized pa , it doesnt mean that you are not yet a member .

correction sa imo nga giingon brod..... baptism is of course a need..... it is as well a God's commandment (read the last few verses of Matthew).... even Christ himself was baptized.....

You keep on changing on your stands and claims , before di gyud pwede kay sin man . Karon pwede na kay ang sin kay ang mga spiritual na wala sa bibliya na lang .

i am not changing my stand.... in the first place.... i am already talking about spiritual themes.... if we are to talk about the bible..... spiritual man jud na ang theme..... kamo ra man ang gasagul ug dili.......

Well you have to correct yourself again , because if it is only 30 to 35 verses then the mass would only be around 5 minutes of worship .

so you are counting the verses jud diay..... pero sa akong count sa una.... wala man mi exceed ug 10 or 20 verses ang ebanhelyo... human ang gipangmention nga verses pa jud.... located on the same book pa jud..... most of the times..... ang verses sad nga ipangmention..... storytelling ra jud.... which i believe to be self expalnatory that even a grade one student can comprehend........ human tagaan dayon ug pwerteng lawma nga interpretation sa pari...... lagyo pa jud kaayo......

Hehehe ..... if you are saying KNEELING is a sin then in the bible , you can actually find Jesus itself knelt before God the day before He is about to die . By the way , the images you are talking about are the messengers of God and no Catholics dont pray and worship to them . Just because we rub , feel them is considered praying ??

hoy brod!!!!! ayaw pataka ug yawit brod!!!! ayaw i restate ang akong statement or post!!!! ang akong giingon!!!! sala ang KNEELING DOWN TO "IMAGES"...... no question man that Christ.... a lot of times knelt down....... pero asa man siya niluhod sa SCULPTURE BA? of course sa Amahan........ Catholics could not deny the fact that they kneel down to images..... even if they say nga dili daw to siya form of worship.... but still.... they could not escape from the biblical statement somewhere in the Book of John....... nga...... "gidili ang pagluhod sa bisan unsang butang ibabaw or ilalom sa langit"..... so even pagluhod sa mga REBULTO gawas ngadto sa amahan sa langit..... is a SIN!!!!!.......

Hehehe ..... let me remind you that maybe your bible is different already from the real one . As long as your bible has the words imprinted in the first couple pages " IMPRIMATUR and " NIHL OBSTAT " then I that I will believe that you are right base on the bible you are using.

even sa imong bible brod.... even sa catholic nga bible brod nga naa na imong mga gipangmention... those are catholic stuffs man..... claro kaayo...... a lot of verses in the book of Isaiah, Psalms, Proverbs etc..... that prohibit any people of God sa pagsamba sa IMAGES.......

Yes you are right that most of us dont know Soriano that well in person but do you know him too that you think he is right ?? Now I am not saying he is wrong pero you sound like he is god already . PAGHINAMBOG ug PAGKA AROGANTE was never sakto bai FYI . It is one of the negative traits a person possess , negative gani is bad gyud na . Naa ba sa bibliya na positive ang paghinambog ug pagka arogante ??

i am not hailing Soriano as a God.... i consider him more likely as a person bringing the Word of God to the people........ i dont think Soriano is a God.... i dont even offer him candles, flowers, etc... like the Catholics did to their REBULTOs............

Naa ba sa bibliya na positive ang paghinambog ug pagka arogante ??

if mao na man gani ang imong basehan sa mga pulong nga HAMBOG ug AROGANTE brod..... that would make God's people of the Christ's times as mga HAMBOGERO ug AROGANTE sab...... kay ang gihimo ni Soriano karon........ layo ra kaayo na sa pagpakigaway sa mga apostoles sa unang panahon... ang uban gani gipamatay tungod sa ilang ka ISOG...... BASAHA LAGI ANG BOOK OF ACTS brod...... and youll see.......

There is more into that . If the preacher doesnt understand what he or she is saying or talking , unsa pa kaha ang mga tao na naminaw ug ni ni sunod niya ... dont get me wrong and offende bai pero maayo kaau ang pagka SHOT niom sa TARO

kamo sad brod..... ikaw usa sa mga tawo...... nga galibug sa inyong doctrines.... catholics could not even defend some.... i mean most of their doctrines...... sama sa sign of the cross, kneeling to images.... they could not even quote a verse in the bible..... that shows that Christ or even his followers..... did the sign of the cross..... samot pa..... naa ba moy mabasa sa bible.... that stated nga gahimo sila ug mga rebulto......

so.... to sum up all of this..... Soriano was just merely a victim of religious nad political discrimination............ klaro na man kaayo ni nga issue para atong viewers jud sa ilang program..... pero katong mga dili kaayo familiar sa whole story sa pagban sa program.... pataka na lang ug yawit..........

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Question:
How, where and since when does the Catholic images and pictures, which they worship at present, originated? As well as the rosary and the holy water?

Bro. Eli:
Let us read, “Pananampalataya ng Ating mga Ninuno Aklat Katoliko p.164”

The doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding the use of sacred images is clearly and fully expert by the general council of Trent. The images of Christ, Virgin Mother and of the saints are to be had and retained specially in churches.

Therefore, it all started when the general council of Trent was established. When the Roman Pope called for a council in Trent, a doctrine was formulated stating that the sacred images of Mary, Jesus and other saints should you have in your house, most especially in churches. Thus, it never started was during the time of the Apostles. It all started during the establishment of the council of Trent and it is written in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

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the reason why Eli was banned was due to political reasons..... kun wala mo kabalo.... lakas man kaayo ang ilang kaaway sa governo...... ang pagutter daw ug bad words ni soriano like TARANTADO, GAGO etc... is merely an ALIBI..... or PALUSOT.... coz even the group that filed the case against Soriano were also using words like those.... particularly the ANG TAMANG DAAN of the INC.... that even accused Soriano of some baseless attacks.......

That I didnt know and I cant vouch for that na mismo ang ni kontra daw ni Eli is mo sampit pod ug mga sultihion na di angay i air .

correction sa imo nga giingon brod..... baptism is of course a need..... it is as well a God's commandment (read the last few verses of Matthew).... even Christ himself was baptized.....

I never said that BAPTISM isnt a need , but in a case of ABSENCE of BAPTISM , that wont stop you from being a CHRISTIAN . Baptism is a sacrament that serves the purpose of cleansing you from the sins of our first parents from the teachings of the CATHOLIC bible .

i am not changing my stand.... in the first place.... i am already talking about spiritual themes.... if we are to talk about the bible..... spiritual man jud na ang theme..... kamo ra man ang gasagul ug dili.......

Yes you did . At first SALA ang tanan BINUHATAN na wala sa BIBLIYA sama sa basketball ug uban pa then you change it to na ang spiritual lang diay .

so you are counting the verses jud diay..... pero sa akong count sa una.... wala man mi exceed ug 10 or 20 verses ang ebanhelyo... human ang gipangmention nga verses pa jud.... located on the same book pa jud..... most of the times..... ang verses sad nga ipangmention..... storytelling ra jud.... which i believe to be self expalnatory that even a grade one student can comprehend........ human tagaan dayon ug pwerteng lawma nga interpretation sa pari...... lagyo pa jud kaayo......

DI lang ang EBANGHELYO bai but the whole mass in general . Even the LORDS prayer is more than 20 verses alone . Lawm na interpretation sa pari is subjective .... have you met or heard the interpretations of the SALESIAN priest ? Di pa gyud ka dukaon .

hoy brod!!!!! ayaw pataka ug yawit brod!!!! ayaw i restate ang akong statement or post!!!! ang akong giingon!!!! sala ang KNEELING DOWN TO "IMAGES"...... no question man that Christ.... a lot of times knelt down....... pero asa man siya niluhod sa SCULPTURE BA? of course sa Amahan........ Catholics could not deny the fact that they kneel down to images..... even if they say nga dili daw to siya form of worship.... but still.... they could not escape from the biblical statement somewhere in the Book of John....... nga...... "gidili ang pagluhod sa bisan unsang butang ibabaw or ilalom sa langit"..... so even pagluhod sa mga REBULTO gawas ngadto sa amahan sa langit..... is a SIN!!!!!.......

I believed what you said was SALA ang mo LUHOD kay wala na sa BIBLIYA concerning sa sulti nimo about anything spiritual not found in the BIBLE is a SIN . We never denied it , mismo ikaw kabalo ka as en ex Catholic . Hehehe ... that is one thing bai about REBULTO and worshiping other Gods kuno .... you guys will never UNDERSTAND it for a simple fact that kung dawaton na ninyo because you guys understood it ... mawagtangan namo ug alas sa pakipag debate sa Katoliko , mao man na linya ninyo dayon about the saints and Mother Mary . PRAYER and WORSHIP are two different things , though you wanted to make it similar , there are more deeper meanings and purpose to it .

even sa imong bible brod.... even sa catholic nga bible brod nga naa na imong mga gipangmention... those are catholic stuffs man..... claro kaayo...... a lot of verses in the book of Isaiah, Psalms, Proverbs etc..... that prohibit any people of God sa pagsamba sa IMAGES.......

Of course , naa man gani na sa 10 commandments . Refer to the post above na lang .

i am not hailing Soriano as a God.... i consider him more likely as a person bringing the Word of God to the people........ i dont think Soriano is a God.... i dont even offer him candles, flowers, etc... like the Catholics did to their REBULTOs............

Yes you are not HAILING him but you just sounded like one . Ironically .... does P*tang Ina , Gago , tarantado etc is a WORD of GOD ? Well ... a comparison to a NOBODY and a representation of the Holy persons is a no given contest . You know who is the NOBODY right ? Ayaw lang ka offend bai ha . At least a NOBODY is acceptable compared to GAGO , TANGA and TARANTADO .

if mao na man gani ang imong basehan sa mga pulong nga HAMBOG ug AROGANTE brod..... that would make God's people of the Christ's times as mga HAMBOGERO ug AROGANTE sab...... kay ang gihimo ni Soriano karon........ layo ra kaayo na sa pagpakigaway sa mga apostoles sa unang panahon... ang uban gani gipamatay tungod sa ilang ka ISOG...... BASAHA LAGI ANG BOOK OF ACTS brod...... and youll see.......

Bai , one more thing ... where can you find it ? If it is being understood literally then nevermind posting the verse here .

kamo sad brod..... ikaw usa sa mga tawo...... nga galibug sa inyong doctrines.... catholics could not even defend some.... i mean most of their doctrines...... sama sa sign of the cross, kneeling to images.... they could not even quote a verse in the bible..... that shows that Christ or even his followers..... did the sign of the cross..... samot pa..... naa ba moy mabasa sa bible.... that stated nga gahimo sila ug mga rebulto......

Catholics doesnt need to DEFEND some because DEFENDING ones sect or religion justifies your INSECURITIES . We already understood it by heart and not by word for word like some sects do unya LITERALLY diay pagka sabot . We dont need to put cerses here , we dont need to put the words here that says you cant do that etc .... as a Christian , just do the right thing . Some people violates it then let God judge them kay human ra man ta and subjected to commit mistakes .

Well ... just put it this way , maybe wala if you really insist kay I am not into putting verses here but how do you explain the IMAGES that is very MIRACULOUS ? Dont tell me that is BS .... pardon my French pero sa pagka ex Katoliko nim wala ka naka sugat ana or tuo bisan gamay lang ?

so.... to sum up all of this..... Soriano was just merely a victim of religious nad political discrimination............ klaro na man kaayo ni nga issue para atong viewers jud sa ilang program..... pero katong mga dili kaayo familiar sa whole story sa pagban sa program.... pataka na lang ug yawit..........

Well ako sa tinuod lang na wala gyud ko ma swito nor saw his program but I was basing from the FACT na he is using words not suitable for a a NATIONAL TV considering he is a PREACHER pa ? Balik na pod ta ani sa ka isog sa mga APostoles sa unang panahon ?? Hehehe we are just going in circles ika nga .... just post the verse na lang bai where it states that bayolente diay ang mga apostoles .

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That I didnt know and I cant vouch for that na mismo ang ni kontra daw ni Eli is mo sampit pod ug mga sultihion na di angay i air .

karon kabalo na ka.....

I never said that BAPTISM isnt a need , but in a case of ABSENCE of BAPTISM , that wont stop you from being a CHRISTIAN . Baptism is a sacrament that serves the purpose of cleansing you from the sins of our first parents from the teachings of the CATHOLIC bible .

that teaching again.... that sins can be inherited is against from the bible...

read this.....
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Ezekiel 18 : 20

and as ive said.... you cant be a christian if you wont be baptized......

Yes you did . At first SALA ang tanan BINUHATAN na wala sa BIBLIYA sama sa basketball ug uban pa then you change it to na ang spiritual lang diay.

at the first place place pa lang... i am referring to spiritual activities.... wala lang ta magkasinabtanay.... since i am talking all about thje bible.... and ikaw.... anythin under the sun......

DI lang ang EBANGHELYO bai but the whole mass in general . Even the LORDS prayer is more than 20 verses alone . Lawm na interpretation sa pari is subjective .... have you met or heard the interpretations of the SALESIAN priest ? Di pa gyud ka dukaon .

let us stop thr iniphanay.... go to the doctrines na lang.... compare the two na lang......

I believed what you said was SALA ang mo LUHOD kay wala na sa BIBLIYA concerning sa sulti nimo about anything spiritual not found in the BIBLE is a SIN . We never denied it , mismo ikaw kabalo ka as en ex Catholic . Hehehe ... that is one thing bai about REBULTO and worshiping other Gods kuno .... you guys will never UNDERSTAND it for a simple fact that kung dawaton na ninyo because you guys understood it ... mawagtangan namo ug alas sa pakipag debate sa Katoliko , mao man na linya ninyo dayon about the saints and Mother Mary . PRAYER and WORSHIP are two different things , though you wanted to make it similar , there are more deeper meanings and purpose to it .

granting nga wala mo gaworship.... pero why is there a need for you to kneel down..... merely kneeling down pa lang gani to images is alresdy a sin...

Yes you are not HAILING him but you just sounded like one . Ironically .... does P*tang Ina , Gago , tarantado etc is a WORD of GOD ? Well ... a comparison to a NOBODY and a representation of the Holy persons is a no given contest . You know who is the NOBODY right ? Ayaw lang ka offend bai ha . At least a NOBODY is acceptable compared to GAGO , TANGA and TARANTADO .

sa ako na ginaingon... God's words are harsh for human standards.... whether we like it or not......

Bai , one more thing ... where can you find it ? If it is being understood literally then nevermind posting the verse here .

read the whole of Acts.... and then Corinthians.... then..... tanan na lang..... daghan didto.....

Catholics doesnt need to DEFEND some because DEFENDING ones sect or religion justifies your INSECURITIES . We already understood it by heart and not by word for word like some sects do unya LITERALLY diay pagka sabot . We dont need to put cerses here , we dont need to put the words here that says you cant do that etc .... as a Christian , just do the right thing . Some people violates it then let God judge them kay human ra man ta and subjected to commit mistakes .

hilasa sa Catholics sa no need to defend..... even Christ defended their faith.....

Well ... just put it this way , maybe wala if you really insist kay I am not into putting verses here but how do you explain the IMAGES that is very MIRACULOUS ? Dont tell me that is BS .... pardon my French pero sa pagka ex Katoliko nim wala ka naka sugat ana or tuo bisan

gamay lang ?

diha...... EVEN THE DEVIL COULD DO MIRACLES.... rememberd katong counterpart ni Moises..... he did some of the magics/miracles that Moises did......

Well ako sa tinuod lang na wala gyud ko ma swito nor saw his program but I was basing from the FACT na he is using words not suitable for a a NATIONAL TV considering he is a PREACHER pa ? Balik na pod ta ani sa ka isog sa mga APostoles sa unang panahon ?? Hehehe we are just going in circles ika nga .... just post the verse na lang bai where it states that bayolente diay ang mga apostoles

we are going in circles since GAHI pa man ka sa tanang GAHI.... mao man sad na hinuon ang akong nabantayan sa ubang mga Catholics..... GAHI...... sa ako na ginaingon.... read the journey of the apostles after the death of Christ..... sa Book of Acts particularly.....

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OT: that last post of mine would be my last post for the day.... ugma na sad nako tubagon.... kung naa pa mo ipapost........

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Proverbs 1 : 7

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

so you can consider a person as a FOOL if..... he despises wisdom and istruction......

so if you will be ignoring some of the instructions or commandments of God from the Bible.... you will be a FOOL!!!!

fool..... in.... tagalog..... TARANTADO..... GAGO.....

kasabot?

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@ robearthFX : Nangutana pud toud ko ana kng ngano ang mga imahe ubtang man sa simbahan na ang bible gi-prohibit man na.... Ang gi tubag sa ako sa isa ka madre is this:

Why did you keep piuctures of your father, mother, family members and other persons you like - in your possesion? Isn't it because that it is much easier to rember them when you see their pictures and reminisce their deeds and action. and thir action gives us strength and encourages us to pursue our dreams.... And she further added that most catholics and different religions has a MISCONCEPTION that those images are of equal to God... and it is not. those images are only there to help us remember and inspire us of their deed that lead them closer to God.
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Proverbs 1 : 7

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

so you can consider a person as a FOOL if..... he despises wisdom and istruction......

so if you will be ignoring some of the instructions or commandments of God from the Bible.... you will be a FOOL!!!!

fool..... in.... tagalog..... TARANTADO..... GAGO.....

kasabot?

I believe saying these words is not wrong if you are really addressing it to someone whos actions fits those words. But it is matter of saying these things at the right place at the right time. And I guess saying these words on national TV IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE RIGHT PLACE AND NOT THE RIGHT TIME! Why? Even if he's refering it to somebody he could not take away the fact that everybody is listening/watching, minors are also listening/watching, he could not just utter those words without thinking of them....

REMEMBER that when you are talking in a TV assume that you are talking to EVERYONE who is listening to you. Anmd saying those words are simply not MORALLY correct in my own opinion. I'm not putting in the IDEA of what he is trying to achieve in his life or the life of others. Cause what he may be trying to achieve is GREAT! Pointing the life of others to God....

I'm only zooming in on HOW he do it to achieve those dreams of his. Is it correct or not....?

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@ robearthFX : Nangutana pud toud ko ana kng ngano ang mga imahe ubtang man sa simbahan na ang bible gi-prohibit man na.... Ang gi tubag sa ako sa isa ka madre is this:

Why did you keep piuctures of your father, mother, family members and other persons you like - in your possesion? Isn't it because that it is much easier to rember them when you see their pictures and reminisce their deeds and action. and thir action gives us strength and encourages us to pursue our dreams.... And she further added that most catholics and different religions has a MISCONCEPTION that those images are of equal to God... and it is not. those images are only there to help us remember and inspire us of their deed that lead them closer to God.
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question...... kanang mga picture sa atong mga mother, father and other loved ones..... are we offering candles to these pictures.... ug labaw sa tanan..... are kneeling down to these pictures? WALA... di ba......

one point pa sad..... kana man gung mga images of Christ..... kabantay ka? lainlain ug nawong? naay usa..... negro.... naay usa..... chubby kaayo ug face..... ang usa sad..... daot kaayo..... so these pics dont reflect the true identity sa mao unta nga person..... mao nay nakabati......

keep this in mind sad..... giprohibit lagi sa bible ang pahimog images.... then kneel down on them..... i bet..... katong nun nga imong kaistorya did not mentioned of any verse in the bible........

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Proverbs 1 : 7

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

so you can consider a person as a FOOL if..... he despises wisdom and istruction......

so if you will be ignoring some of the instructions or commandments of God from the Bible.... you will be a FOOL!!!!

fool..... in.... tagalog..... TARANTADO..... GAGO.....

kasabot?

I believe saying these words is not wrong if you are really addressing it to someone whos actions fits those words. But it is matter of saying these things at the right place at the right time. And I guess saying these words on national TV IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE RIGHT PLACE AND NOT THE RIGHT TIME! Why? Even if he's refering it to somebody he could not take away the fact that everybody is listening/watching, minors are also listening/watching, he could not just utter those words without thinking of them....

REMEMBER that when you are talking in a TV assume that you are talking to EVERYONE who is listening to you. Anmd saying those words are simply not MORALLY correct in my own opinion. I'm not putting in the IDEA of what he is trying to achieve in his life or the life of others. Cause what he may be trying to achieve is GREAT! Pointing the life of others to God....

I'm only zooming in on HOW he do it to achieve those dreams of his. Is it correct or not....?

ill ask you this question..... isnt it.... that the bible can be read by anyone as long as he or she knows how to read even the young ones........ and the word fool (that can be read on the bible, in the psalms for example) doesnt have any excuse that it can be read by a minor.........

one thing sad...... Eli's program is a PG(parental guidance) program..... all other PG programs are even more "immoral" to Eli's program......